Adoulin: Scrolls of Instant Protect

**Demon6324236** · 07-02-2013 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Umichi

Jingyang hose... you assume i sub sam, I already put all of my haste into my gloves of which after doing said action i stay at a nice and comfy 13% haste.

Literally have the cap, which is not good, that lowers your damage by a large amount. So far as SAM sub goes, no, it has nothing to do with subbing SAM, WAR, or anything else. Enhances effects are not influenced by having the stat already. You can wear Brutal Earring on any job with any sub and still get full benefits of +5% Double Attack even though it says 'Enhances Double Attack' and the same goes for these legs, so long as you wear them, you get the effects that the 'Enhances Zanshin' effect gives, the exact % however, I do not know. The only stat that 'Enhances blah' does not still grant is Dual Wield, so far as I know any other stat is given with or without already having said stat.

homam... why bother doing outdated content when i already have a piece that far surpasses it.... don't need the mp im a taru and with aquaveil up i shouldn't need fast cast as the spells im casting only take a fraction of a second to 1 second to cast, any other time i can shed hate have my wyvern tank and i can cast haste.

Why? Because they give a nice amount of Haste, you have to ask yourself how much damage you gain from using the legs you currently do to TP in vs how much you gain with that Haste. The Haste would mean faster attack, thus faster WSs, and overall more damage in the end because of that reason. The Fast Cast is never a necessity, but it is helpful, you point out the spells you cast are either super fast or you can have the mob attack your wyvern, but what about recast? What about spells that take longer? What if Aquaveil wears during a fight because you got hit while casting to often? Things can happen here which make those helpful.

Ace's hose.. no thanks I don't like shedding accuracy as a drg.

This makes no sense, you do not like getting rid of accuracy, something you have an overly high abundance of since you have +60 from traits alone. That's not counting the accuracy on your gear, the fact you get to main a A+ ranked weapon as your primary weapon(unlike DRK), and the fact you are probably not fighting to hard of NMs I would assume. All in all, this -10 Accuracy should be nothing to worry about, the only time you should ever care about it is a case in which Accuracy truly becomes an issue for DRG, at which time, there are 3 other options here I gave you which have no Accuracy penalties.

Calmacec i'd say i wanted them in the past but truly they do nothing special for drg unless your looking to min/max and use hypotheticals and force myself into building a specific way other players have done before me.

What? They give you 3% Haste, which is nice, about the same as all of the other options I gave you, on top of that, they have 2% Double Attack as well as 2% Triple Attack. These stats are basically saying you get 2 more attacks for every 100 attacks you do, and 4 more attacks for every 100 attacks you do, why? Simple, 2% Double Attack means 2% of the time you will hit twice, as such, 2 out of every 100 attacks you get an extra attack, meaning, 2 extra hits every 100 attacks, the same goes for Triple Attacks except its 2 extra hits instead of 1.

bestia breeches... please explain how they can flat out beat all the stats a drg wants and then some of which kariyeh provides...?

Simply put, it is because they give 4% Haste as well as some potential other stats like Accuracy, STR, DEX, and so on, all of which are great stats. Now, do they win for WS? No, like every single option here except the 1 I have yet to cover, they have no real WS stats at all, in fact, this is why you should swap them out when WSing. I assumed you would be doing this, in which case, the Haste easily pushes the rest of these options to the top because the more hits you do in less time means faster WSs and higher overall damage in the end.

Ares flanchard is sexy but it still doesn't provide the raw stats kareyiah provide me and i'd need another piece to make the set bonus possible.......

If you would need another piece take the hands, they are great too, but in the end you do not need the set bonus, its nice, yes, but in the end it is just what it says, a bonus. It is another one of the many things which are not necessities to use the gear, and again, yes, these are not good for WSing, but in the end the damage would be higher even if you WSed in these. The reason why the damage would be higher if you WSed in these even is because on top of the dDEX potentially effecting your crit rate from the 8DEX these give your getting roughly 2fSTR from the 8STR, 6 Attack from the 8STR, and STR is the modifier on your WS. If you use Drakesbane then you get a boost on crits from the DEX just like on normal hits which makes it even better. On top of all of that, the Triple Attack can proc on the WS, meaning you get a chance at your WS spiking quite high on damage if that kicks in, but since it most of the time wont its not really a primary selling point. Besides all of this which is already meaning they are fairly good legs, they have the largest amount of Haste a DRG can get on legs, and would make your Attack Speed much higher!

I hope I accurately explained why each of these are better choices for TPing. While you do get some more damage per hit from those legs you use now, they are much slower, which means larger gaps between WSs and also slower attacks overall. Think of it this way, if you attack for 100 damage every 6 seconds, but I attack for 80 every 4 seconds. You might hit for more per hit, but in overall damage you are doing less, that is basically what the difference is between what you are using now, and what I am saying are better options.

**Karbuncle** · 07-02-2013 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Umichi

.by whose standards? the elite ruling class of endgamers? who use spreadhseets and min/max damage for full "Hypothetical" potential damage and then says everything else is fail? if not them then please pray tell who in this game can and cannot tell me how i play them game because I'd really like to welcome my new overlords to the game?

Well, Firstly math is not hypothetical. math is a fact. Like many things in life, MMO's boil down to mathmatical formula. in FFXI, there are known equations and formulas for devising the best possible sets. This includes TP and WS for maximizing white damage and WS damage. These are not elitist opinions, these are truths with you cannot avoid anymore so than you can avoid your own death.

To the point of this quote, He's writing you off because you imply loving and playing a job for multiple years, meaning you've played FFXI for years and the concept of TP/WS set manages to elude you after this much time, which means you either acknowledge the right solution, Cap haste, Acc, and having a separate WS set... and Go the other way, Or you've actually failed to learn the basic and core mechanics of being a Melee, which is Damage.

He's writing that off because there is no excuse for not understanding a Video game after playing it for several years. So as stated above, You've either written off the rightful alternative, Or you've not learned it. Continuing, I'd like to say, as i have in the past, I sympathize with people who play for fun. I understand this concept well and I thoroughly enjoy the game. But when you make yourself seem... gimp... to other players, You might suffer invites, You may be left out of shouts, or may just get into bad shouts... You're in reality limiting your own playing experience, so when one says they play for fun to justify their lackluster gear, It makes me question how they can have fun being deprived of so many events.

Then i come to the Official Forums and read all the complaints about "RMED Only" Shouts and so forth, and I realize... Those who "play for fun" and "its my 12.95" etc, Aren't really having fun because of their own lack of motivation... They're being left out of events, and are looking for other things to blame, When what they should be doing is questioning why they have played for almost a decade and haven't taken the time to learn it, or even spend a modicum of time making their character more worthy.

When I give someone gear advice, I always try to make it a note to say, Do it for yourself. Don't do it cause i said so, Don't do it cause someone called you gimp... Do it for yourself. Take pride in being a DRG, be the best GD DRG you can. You think i made a Mandau because I wanted to look cool? Hell no, If i wanted to Bandwagon a free ride to mediocrity with false sense of superiority I'd jump on a RNG or PLD Relic and act hot... No, I made Mandau because I love THF, and I wanted it for myself, I wanted to improve my favorite job... I mean, Mandau sucks now and THF is dead so I quit FFXI like a bad habit, But thats not here nor there.

Honestly, When it comes to gearing... I don't mind if people want to play for fun, Its their right and its their choice... But what it comes down to is Gear sets aren't optional to be a good player, Capping Haste/Acc, and having a good WS Set aren't optional either. If you want to forego those and you can still enjoy that, gear... You can make their own beds, all I ask is you sleep in it. When i see people complaining about elitists to me its just a warning sign of someone whos too lazy to take the initiative or to the effort to be better, and just look for more reasons and excuses to push off realizing the problem is themselves.

This may not be you, I'm just giving you some perspective on where Demon is coming from.

Originally Posted by Umichi

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what piece out there is easier to get than kareyiah that out paces them for fulltime. You chose to attack me on this matter, starting filling those boots....

Now, He has more than fullfilled this for you. When you deny his answer it fuels his reasoning for writing you off. You're appearing as someone who's just been unequivically proven wrong and just goes into a Shameful Hate/Denial Spiral thats really akin to watching a train wreck, I mean, You're unable to believe that you're watching it happen... but ya can't look away cause you don't know if you'll ever see it happen again... morbid yes but the point is clear, its attracting negative attention and I don't want that for you as you at least seem to have some reason inside of you, which is why I'm bothering to type this.

since well if im pulling hate shouldn't i be unthrottling so tank can hold hate? not struggle against it... what if the nm has an ability that procs only when it switches target.... or is not someone that's the tank?

This style of play hasn't been reasonable in FFXI since the dawn of ToAU. Your job as a DD is to DD, your Tanks job is to not be invited or switch to a DD job, your Healers job is to make sure you stay alive long enough to DD. Thats the game. The only change to this is Delve Megabosses, at least Shark/Bee. Its just not something that's common place, and its not much smart play.

Unless you're sure your mages are terrible, then you should probably invest in a Hybrid Set (Read: Haste/DT-%).

Anyway, With that out of the way, I don't want this to feel like I'm ganging up on you with Demon, Know i'm acting separately and alone... I just wanted to say again, If you do something, do it for yourself. If you want to stay at your 13% Haste/HybridWS/AllAround set and continue to be mediocre and terrible, Which I'm sorry if this offends but it is entirely the truth in FFXI where there is no Skill, only cold hard mathematical formulas, Then you are welcome to do so and to hell with me and Demons opinion, Its your life, your money, and your choice...

But if you are really as reasonable as i suspect, take his advice, and mine. Make a TP set, make a WS set, and go from there, Its not much, but its acceptable enough that you'll be left out of very few events, and you'll probably be happy at how well you can do... I believe in you, take the step, and become a great DRG, for yourself.

Goodluck!

**Rekin** · 07-02-2013 12:13 PM

Unfortunately FFXI is simply number crunching in the end. Hence why drg no matter how well geared, well played, etc. will always do less dmg than a similarly geared/skilled person. It is because it was designed that way. I love the job to death which is why I made a gungnir despite I KNEW it was inferior to other "legendary" weapons and that it would ultimately change NOTHING about how I played drg at all. Because of love my job I gear myself fairly well barring salvage 2.0 and delve boss win stuff. Back on topic.

I'm curious as friend of a game designer whom we frequently chat about all levels of game design, what went through the thoughts of the Devs when they made this item and whether or not they actually intended us to even use it.

**Okipuit** · 07-06-2013 05:07 AM