Suggestions for improvements to Geomancer

[Daemon]

Geo has no wow factor- maybe if there was a geo spell that gave party something like regain, I could see the class being invited in many parties but other than that- it seems people rather invite Cor and brds, healers and then the rest of the space for DD at 18 man events. I just don't see parties patiently waiting for geo to cast- by the time spell goes off party member will already be moving to the next monster- maybe it would be cool if geo luopons hovered and followed geo around and have an ability to set it wherever you wanted to.

[Sparthos]

Luopans should behave more like a slowly dying avatar than a stationary totem.

Summon your geo-whatever and then use an Assault-type JA to pick its target so it can begin to slowly spew out its debuff effect. When the target dies, it returns to the Geomancer ready to be deployed on the next target.

Also, the Cura-line is all but situational on WHM but could be useful on a job like GEO where SE seems to want to play with frontlining a mage job. While you're up there with other people you could drop some AOE heals for yourself and others while throwing out the directional nukes. You're no SCH but it puts a rather dilapidated spell series to good use.

[Elexia]

Geo has no wow factor- maybe if there was a geo spell that gave party something like regain, I could see the class being invited in many parties but other than that- it seems people rather invite Cor and brds, healers and then the rest of the space for DD at 18 man events. I just don't see parties patiently waiting for geo to cast- by the time spell goes off party member will already be moving to the next monster- maybe it would be cool if geo luopons hovered and followed geo around and have an ability to set it wherever you wanted to.

No wow factor? So being invited to pretty much every event is a fluke? >.> Then again, I see you're on Phoenix...so lol, guess it makes sense why you don't see them invited. You won't see them in heavily kited fights unless you set Geos in kite path with Geo-x so it constantly has a debuff tick or kiter/tank has a buff tick, but for the most part Geo is quite useful in any encounter, since at 99 you rarely need to even kite sometime these days unless you're doing some legions.

[Camate]

Greetings geomancers!

To get a little more specific and build on what Okipuit mentioned previously, in the next version update we will be performing the below adjustments to geomancer in addition to adding a merit point category.

• Shortening of the casting time for geomancy spells (indi and geo)
• Addition of the job trait “Clear Mind”
• Addition of the job trait “Max MP Boost”
• Adjustment to the level in which the “Conserve MP” job trait is learned
• Addition of the spells “Sleep” and “Sleep II”
  *To go along with the addition of Sleep and Sleep II enfeebling skill will also be added.

[Lithera]

The one job that can debuff anything has no wow factor? Unless of course it's a debuff the mob in question is completely resistant to. Then guess what? No Brd, Cor, or Rmd is going to be able to debuff it either with their version of the spell. Yes, we know that loupans would be better if they could move but it doesn't look like we will be getting that part changed. Keep in mind that the job still doesn't have merrits yet besides the two they put in for skills.

The only reason I still have hope SE will make the loupans mobile is knowing what they did for Drg in changing call wyvern from their 2hr to a 20min JA.

[Lithera]

We are getting merrits in the next update!?! Does that mean we will be getting artifact armor as well??? *does her best not to drool or do her happy dance too much*

[Mnejing]

We are getting merrits in the next update!?! Does that mean we will be getting artifact armor as well??? *does her best not to drool or do her happy dance too much*

Yes.

/10charshere

[Merton9999]

Wow. I'm very happy, but very surprised, about sleep and sleep 2. I figured they wouldn't want a lone job to be able to stack two paralyze, slow, or gravity effects, which GEO will be able to do now as /RDM. I thought a new dark based sleep spell would be more appropriate but I guess my GEO won't be complaining. It's not like those enfeebles from GEO are used often over the job's unique ones anyway.

[Lithera]

Wow. I'm very happy, but very surprised, about sleep and sleep 2. I figured they wouldn't want a lone job to be able to stack two paralyze, slow, or gravity effects, which GEO will be able to do now as /RDM. I thought a new dark based sleep spell would be more appropriate but I guess my GEO won't be complaining. It's not like those enfeebles from GEO are used often over the job's unique ones anyway.

Guess they feel sleep will help survivability for geo when it's on the front line. Hard to get outta dodge if you're dead.

[Daemon]

The one job that can debuff anything has no wow factor? Unless of course it's a debuff the mob in question is completely resistant to. Then guess what? No Brd, Cor, or Rmd is going to be able to debuff it either with their version of the spell. Yes, we know that loupans would be better if they could move but it doesn't look like we will be getting that part changed. Keep in mind that the job still doesn't have merrits yet besides the two they put in for skills.

The only reason I still have hope SE will make the loupans mobile is knowing what they did for Drg in changing call wyvern from their 2hr to a 20min JA.

Is there something wrong with what I said? What I mean by wow factor is (A specific trait that is unique to the class, in demand, loved and highly needed that can benefit the entire group of people on a massive level that no other job can provide), sure it is the only class that can debuff mobs in unque ways. It has potential to be a great job but as of yet, until AF, Merits, Emp/Relic etc is released, it's quite hard to play the job on gear pretty much every mage job can equip. Geomancer needs job specific equipment. Spells just cost too much and I cannot speak for other servers but on ours, people don't even have the patience to wait for whm to buff in several events such as NNI, Salvage, Assault, Delve, why would anyone want to stand in one spot waiting for a luopan in a fast pace movement environment?

This job would have been great during the era where people leveled in 6 man parties, skillchain, magic burst, and had the patience to sit at a camp all day fighting 1 monster at a time with barely any random movement.

Really SE, Indi Regen, Indi Refresh, Indi Gravity? Scholar Regen V does it better, Redmage Refresh 2 does it better. (And players can move around with these buffs up instead of parking near a luopan or having someone follow them around like a lost puppy)Gravity on Geo so far from what I've seen is annoying and would rather use a different spell than this. Instead of giving us skills that other mage jobs can do better, Geo should have all spells differ from other jobs. Sure boost spells are nice especially when they can reach higher than 10, but this isn't being unique, this is just throwing the same skills other classes have onto a job and slapping a higher boost.

Example SE gave us bar spells but then bard came out and received carols- same spell higher boost- is it good? Yes but people would rather have Marches and bar spells up rather than carols and bar spells. Therefore the majority of the time it's just another spell sitting in the list that's only used on rare occasions not because it's bad but because there are other options that people prefer over this. (Its good but Is it really needed? And this is how I see Geomancer job)

Ra Spells look like BLM ga spells except with different graphics. Now if SE allowed debuff effects to be inflicted with these spells it would make Geo different and unique. Imagine casting Blizzara and all mobs in the area got inflicted with damage and paralyze or some sort of down effect like magic defense down? Or make mobs freeze for 3 seconds?

One big turn off that has rippled through the land is that although SE updated so people can turn off geomancer effects- it's already left a scar and some people already have hate points for the fact that spells gave horrible lag. And we know there always will be that one lazy person who doesn't want to take the time to turn off effects.

For the time being, spells do take way too long to cast and in most events, seconds matter. Not only do ra spells take up too much mp, blm ja spells are better. (Only reason why BLM still gets invites is because procs are needed with certain spells no other job can do) take away all BLM proc spells and then what have you? A job that can only deal magic damage? Most people prefer DD and healers because there is no wait time and with a DD who has REM, HASTE, Regain up, DD will out damage BLM in the long run.

Redmage use to proc in VW and then SE removed those spells that only Redmage could cast and now when do you see RDM get invited to this event? Would you really want redmage to cover T2-4/ Dispel when Sch can do the same plus support party better plus proc helix and give party regain/embrava?

I've yet to see any BLM get invite to delve or any Adoulin content. (Again this comes down to the point I'm trying to make, is it needed? Would you rather have this job over another that can provide a better benefit to the entire alliance?)

There was a time RDM was the only job with Refresh, until SE released Bard, Cor and then added massive amounts of Refresh gear to the point that RDM became watered down and now no one ever invites RDM for refresh. (Are you starting see my point on WoW factor?)

I just see Geo being one of those jobs that require patience, and we all know that most big events people don't have enough patience to wait on 1 job to cast a spell. Geo can't proc in Abby, vw, and on our server people just don't want to waste a spot in the alliance for a job that can't do any of the things I just stated above.

Up til now, we have survived getting things done without a geomancer, kinda hard to include the job now until it has some sort of skill or ability that makes Geo shine. Especially when the job has barely any job traits, job specific gear.

To me inviting a Geomancer now is like inviting any other job to a big event that has no REM/AF.

People invite scholar for Embrava, Regen V, Regain, +7 stat boost, Bard for Marches etc, Cor for rolls- until Geo has something that can benefit the entire party comparable or better than other support jobs, I just see Geo being left out in several events like Summoner. And we all know Summoner has pretty awesome stuff- Even with Perfect Defense, this job has become limited in invites. (This should be a lesson learned SE, people don't have patience for jobs that take too long to cast a skill or ability)

Enfeebling magic is way too low that renders the spells given from sub job useless in end game content. Even at level 99, capped enfeebling spells don't land at worm camp in Abby with Cruor buffs and atmas >.>

At any given time Geo is limited to having 1 Indi spell, and 1 Geo luopan up which is why when comparing other jobs is it really worth giving up 1 space for this class? It's bad enough as it is that an 18 man alliance would rather have Brd, Cor, Whm, Sch first before deciding if there's enough room for any other mage class to join so there is competition and here is where gear matters.


Geomancer is way too support to do things solo- sure Geo has tier IV spells, forget about ra because its not MP effecient to use outside of Abby. But also the job has no Cure, Stoneskin, Blink limiting Geo to use Whm/Rdm as a support job.

Why solo stuff on Geo when you could play Redmage that has fast cast, refresh 2, convert, can equip high amounts of -pdt gear, can play the role of either DD or use the same Tier 4 spells Geo can use, equip MAB gear and staff, has enfeebling magic, Cure 4, Shell+Protect 4, stoneskin, blink, haste, temper, and is versatile enough to use almost any sub job?

We all know its a cool job, it has potential, it's unique, but is it really needed? That's why I said it needs Wow Factor enough to convince leaders of events to invite the job all the time.

The job is not easy to play, it's hard for geo to follow people around especially on occasions where alliance has to split up. And really when do you see a mage standing near DDs?

As a person who has 13 jobs at level 99, I can't find any reason to sacrifice merit points to level geomancy and handbell over the other jobs I play. And I'm sure no one would want to start over a brand new character for 1 job, the amount of time questing, leveling, getting maps, gear, missions done...

Now what would make geo better is if Luopans and indi spells wasn't "party only" restricted.

If SE can get the people to love the job first maybe then will players lighten up and start inviting this class more often because there are many people who don't know what geo can do