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    Player xiozen's Avatar
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    Thank you so much for taking into account the original direction this development course has taken for so many years... I refer to the R/E/M weapons and their vision as being the "ultimate weapons" for their class.

    I understand based on the above that you have decided to change this view with the introduction of Delve weapons--I also understand that, based on your comment that the original plans have been changed, that this was not initially considered or effectively brought to the table.

    I would like to suggest that in the future, should you decide on a course for this late-stage game, 11 year old MMO, that you do not do so, so haphazardly. I have been an on-going subscriber since 2003 and my subscription has never lapsed. I also own only one lvl 99 empyrean which I feel, as a casual player--not entirely hardcore for a few years now--I have seriously invested much of my time, energy, and gil into to create. The notion that there are those who have done even more based on the original vision regarding R/E/M weapons and the fact that this would be tossed aside so haphazardly, is a little disturbing.

    I do acknowledge and hope, based on your change of plans, that you are more careful as it relates to "significant" game playing adjustments in the near and far off future--so that you take into account, not only from a game play perspective, but also from the perspective of an established "tradition" the development team (pre-2009 development team) themselves created--not to undo it all because of "some vision"--to the degree that it eclipses what an entire player base has been accustomed too.

    Again, I believe you are on the right track and look forward to continuing my subscription, as well as trying the new content in greater depth, now that I realize all of my efforts (concerning my R/E/M weapon) has not been without merit.

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    Last edited by xiozen; 05-10-2013 at 05:32 AM.

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    Player Kojo's Avatar
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    The proposal sounds great. I'm looking forward to playing now, I feel like I'm building towards something again.

    Camate, can you perhaps ask the Dev team if they'd consider allowing post-ToAU jobs to use Relics since they are no longer the "Ultimate" weapons? I think their reasons for not allowing newer jobs to use them was that they'd be too powerful.
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    Can you imagine waking up each morning knowing that you would have to wrestle a man-sized radish to death in order to eat?
    Sorry, had to.

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    Player Phafi's Avatar
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    so for weapons like Laevateinn, Murgleis and Tupsimati, will these be receiving just the attack and accuracy+ as well, or will you provide them useful stats like "all element affinity DMG/ACC+5/6" or something that isn't just "more magic atk. bonus". judging from the delve and skirmish armor, it seems like melee potency is getting a significantly larger increase than magic potency (barring avatars)
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    Player xiozen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phafi View Post
    so for weapons like Laevateinn, Murgleis and Tupsimati, will these be receiving just the attack and accuracy+ as well, or will you provide them useful stats like "all element affinity DMG/ACC+5/6" or something that isn't just "more magic atk. bonus". judging from the delve and skirmish armor, it seems like melee potency is getting a significantly larger increase than magic potency (barring avatars)
    I can only surmise based on the post that the team would need to look at each type (R/E/M) of weapon individually and determine the most effective adjustment necessary for that job. So your observations are spot on; as I am also confident that they will ensure they address those areas of the job (via the weapon) that makes the most sense.
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    Will newer jobs be able to utilize these weapons? ToAU and forward can't use relic and RUN and GEO aren't able to equip empyreans. I'd like to see RUN utilize Ragnarok
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    Hello, and thank you Dev team. This post really does make me very happy and enough to register on the forums and make my first post to you guys. I think that most everything that was proposed is a good if not great idea but there are some things I would like you guys to consider.
    1. If You are going to use the Coin Weapons to unlock Empyrean Weapon Skills (not a bad idea) consider making them unlockable if you did the Empyrean path as well. Possibly Coin Weapons unlocking Weaponskill at 99 but Empyrean Unlocking weaponskill at 90.
    2. With Mythic and Empyrean Weapon Skills unlockable can we get a quest to unlock Relic weapon skills as well. Possibly a WeaponSkill point trial using the Stage 1 Relic with no upgrades. (this does make the "In Dynamis:" unlock on stage 4 somewhat useless though.
    Thank you dev team for your consideration and these updates.
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    Player Kojo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antanias View Post
    Will newer jobs be able to utilize these weapons? ToAU and forward can't use relic and RUN and GEO aren't able to equip empyreans. I'd like to see RUN utilize Ragnarok
    As would I. Or atleast get access to the WoE weapon to get Torcleaver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler View Post
    Can you imagine waking up each morning knowing that you would have to wrestle a man-sized radish to death in order to eat?
    Sorry, had to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    To start off, I still need to discuss the implementation period with the rest of the development team, so it will be a bit difficult to address this immediately in the next version update, and we cannot make any promises as to when this will take place.
    While it doesn't seem bad, it still means the R/E/Ms users will be stuck with useless weapons for a few months at least.

    Also you're planning to make the R/E/Ms as an alternative, well guess what, people who invested their time and money in those weapons made it to be able to use the best possible weapon. If the Delve weapons are better we won't use our R/E/Ms just because we "like them".
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    Will Emp WSs unlocked via WoE weapons be usable with Mythic AM3? I'm sure your sword stats are just a mock up but if your intention is to have the 3 somewhat closely balanced you have overlooked the powerhouse that would be a Conqueror spamming Ukko's fury with occasionally attacks twice or thrice.

    Edit: I think I smashed 2 points into one post so to clarify.

    a) Mythics DPS has always taken into account that they have additional utility properties (yes some of them are terrible) and a crazy good AM3.

    b) I believe that the strength of the associated WSs were accounted for initially as well. After some magian trials and some merits WSs though, the balance was shifted quite a bit putting some Mythics very far ahead of their counterpart Relic and Emp. If you look at Ryunohige for example, it already has access to the strongest available WS in addition to it's aftermath and currently very competitive base damage. Due to this it absolutely crushes Gungnir and Rhongomiant.

    You are looking at creating similar situations across the board if you give mythics the highest damage rating best aftermath and access to the very powerful Emp WSs. I think mythics should probably be a bit ahead of anything else due to the massive effort required compared to the other weapons but I don't think the gap you would be creating is what it should be.
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    Last edited by Insaniac; 05-10-2013 at 06:01 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insaniac View Post
    Will Emp WSs unlocked via WoE weapons be usable with Mythic AM3? I'm sure your sword stats are just a mock up but if your intention is to have the 3 somewhat closely balanced you have overlooked the powerhouse that would be a Conqueror spamming Ukko's fury with occasionally attacks twice or thrice.
    sshshhhshsshshshshhh i already traded in a sturdy axe (which could very quickly change into laev or murgleis if they get affinity+) as a hope to only play paladin about half the time rather than all the time!
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    Last edited by Phafi; 05-10-2013 at 05:51 AM.

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