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  1. #21
    Player Tezz's Avatar
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    I want a new Cure spell (similar to Cure V) that is also a HOT(healing over time) spell. Also with each tick it could reduce or increase enmity if the player has Minuo or Augeo cast on them.
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    Player Kasandaro's Avatar
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    Okay, had a thought. Yes, a HoT would be interesting, something helix-like - it's called Regen. Regen III is awesome, but usually if I'm having to curebomb, it doesn't work fast enough. (And I'm tired of whiny dd complaining that they're in yellow.) Maybe make Regen's potency sensitive to Enhancing skill (all three jobs with it natively benefit) - leave the base value the same, but give potency for skill over 300?

    Also, maybe a spell (and I'm ripping straight out of Guild Wars here: Dwayna's Kiss) that heals more based on the number of buffs on the target character, since when we're in Light Arts, we really are all about the protections.

    (If it were the hols, I'd want something like Reversal of Fortune, which inverts the next damage taken...but I'm not holding my breath.)
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    If the end game content for the duration of the game is going to be in Abyssea or Abyssea-like situations, then yes I do believe both SCH and RDM need a higher tier healing spell.

    I play all 3 jobs (SCH WHM RDM) and while I want WHM to remain the indisputable best healer, I don't like the fact that SCH and RDM are completely crippled on most difficult mobs in Abyssea.

    I believe the easiest way to achieve this is simply to introduce a new spell. Call it Curasa. It should heal for an amount somewhere between Cure IV and Cure V. Let's say about 800-850 with a good cure potency set. It would not have the unique enmity calculation that Cure V. The devs could get very creative and give it a Solace like short duration buff like Phalanx or MDB (which would stack with the normal buffs). WHM would of course also have access to the spell.

    With all of SCH and RDMs stratagems, enfeebles and defensive buffs the addition of this spell would make main healing a single tank on difficult NM's doable. They would just have to work harder for it than a WHM and might need the support of a SMN, BLU, DNC, BLM or PUP. WHM would still be much better healer over all.
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    SCH can already easily outnuke a BLM and solo a SC on top of that. If SCH is going to out cure a WHM and out nuke a BLM, would be the point of leveling any other mage (except RDM)? Also, when this abyssea era is over, I think Cure VI will not be as useful as it is in abyssea. It's nearly double the MP cost of Cure V and only cures 500 more HP.
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    Player Sasaraixx's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermail View Post
    SCH can already easily outnuke a BLM and solo a SC on top of that.
    It is not nearly that simple. Not since Abyssea came out. SCH's main advantage over BLM was MP efficiency. Refresh Atmas, /RDM and Cruor buffs allow BLMs to keep up now. If the mob is aspirable it is even closer. Atma of the Beyond also gives BLM an edge. BLM has access to a lot more Blizzard spells than SCH has. BLM's can also ga-farm, which is something SCH cannot do. BLM brings a lot more to the table than you are giving it credit for. SCH can no longer 'easily outnuke' a BLM. Even RDM is giving SCH competition in the nuking department now because SCH has not learned Blizzard V yet. Immanence is a nice addition, but you have to think about how often you are going to get off un-interrupted SC's and how many stratagems you're using. . . And this doesn't even take into consideration triggering yellow weaknesses, which is an area BLM has the clear advantage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vermail View Post
    If SCH is going to out cure a WHM and out nuke a BLM, would be the point of leveling any other mage
    Who said anything about SCH out-curing a WHM? You are being over dramatic. The plain and simple fact is that neither SCH nor RDM can main heal most of the HNMs in Abyssea. Some of us would like to be a passable healer in some circumstances. Now it's not even an option. No one wants to heal as well as a WHM. Like I said, if content is going to move away from Abyssea and 4000 HP tanks, then the additional cure spell won't be necessary.
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    So you don't want a scholar to out cure a white mage, but it is ok to out nuke a black mage? What is the difference? The mere fact that you have to even mention atmas to show a black mage "keeping up" is evidence scholar needs to have its dark arts nerfed, not added onto. Black mage exist to nuke, scholar is a strategist with several functions. Scholar's job isn't to out damage the specialist in elemental damage. The developers have said they are going to try to balance the jobs, not further over power a job like Scholar when its in dark arts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siiri View Post
    So you don't want a scholar to out cure a white mage, but it is ok to out nuke a black mage? What is the difference? The mere fact that you have to even mention atmas to show a black mage "keeping up" is evidence scholar needs to have its dark arts nerfed, not added onto. Black mage exist to nuke, scholar is a strategist with several functions. Scholar's job isn't to out damage the specialist in elemental damage. The developers have said they are going to try to balance the jobs, not further over power a job like Scholar when its in dark arts.
    who said anything about a SCH outnuking a BLM? he said:
    RDM is giving SCH competition in the nuking department now because SCH has not learned Blizzard V yet
    He said that because RDM has blizzard IV and they can cast blizzard IV freely.

    point is cure IV is pointless when people have 3-4k hp cure IV is also pointless as a main mage when anything can sub cure IV, thats not progress, saying that PLD RDM SCH should not get cure V or a higher level cure means your mind is still stuck at 75.

    anther way around it is let healing magic mean something so a main job using cure IV puts sub cure IV to shame
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    Last edited by Rambus; 03-11-2011 at 01:52 PM.

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    SCH needs to be nerfed anyway, it's supposed to be rdm powered and all around, not do everything as well as a WHM and BLM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rambus View Post
    point is cure IV is pointless when people have 3-4k hp cure IV is also pointless as a main mage when anything can sub cure IV, thats not progress, saying that PLD RDM SCH should not get cure V or a higher level cure means your mind is still stuck at 75.
    SCH is not a whm, if you want a healer, get a WHM.
    Or a SCH that's better at his job. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji View Post
    SCH needs to be nerfed anyway, it's supposed to be rdm powered and all around, not do everything as well as a WHM and BLM.
    It doesn't, anymore, especially in Abyssea. It always had more nuking ability than RDM - but it has much less melee power, to balance.

    SCH is not a whm, if you want a healer, get a WHM.
    Or a SCH that's better at his job. lol
    The problem being is that the extreme HP pools have eliminated the effectiveness of SCH, RDM, and DNC - all of which have significant access to healing effects - against a notable range of NMs. Depending on the tank, a SCH does not have the tools to keep up with the DoT on a PC that has 4000+ HP, let alone 5 or more of such PCs. This is regardless of how good s/he is at the job. That's what many people are objecting to, that we're back in the situation where there aren't four healing classes to choose from for endgame situations - there's only one.
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    SCH is perfect as it is as of the last update. I think it's one of the most balanced jobs in the game.
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