Weaponskills That Need Most Refinement

[Zeroe]

The purpose of this thread is to just isolate a few weaponskills that need serious readjustments. Although I believe dozens of them need a rework, there are some in most dire need of a total refinement. Please post your four most desired weaponskills to be reworked. Maybe this will help the devs narrow down there choices and start the refinement process.

My List:

Cloudsplitter
Quietus
Leaden Salute
Camlann's Torment

[Nebo]

Rudra's Storm
Mercy Stroke
Mandalic Stab

[Direct]

Metatron torment needs a big overhall bravura is just that far behind Ukonvasara

Knights of round

Scourge

Geirskogul

Infact i'd go as far as to sugest that all relic weaponskills and some aftermaths need adjustment on a case by case basis, the five above need serious adjusting.

[Kincard]

Mercy Stroke

What? No. It's not perfect or anything, and I agree it could use just a bit more of a boost, but it's actually one of the best relic weapon skills. I know that's not saying much, but it's an improvement over the other ones in the fact that you actually use it, lol.

[Nebo]

What? No. It's not perfect or anything, and I agree it could use just a bit more of a boost, but it's actually one of the best relic weapon skills. I know that's not saying much, but it's an improvement over the other ones in the fact that you actually use it, lol.

No. Mercy Stroke is just as weak as all the rest of them (weaker than a lot of them actually). The only job on Mandau that uses MS is THF, and that's not because Mercy Stroke is the cat's ass. It's because stacking it with positionally restricted and cumbersome job abilities can make it not suck some of the time.

Do not mistake that for Mercy Stroke being awesome. The WS itself is crap which is why you see more exenterators and eviscerations coming out of Mandau than Mercy Strokes.

But Byrth said it best, just make these R/M/E dagger WS able to crit natively and problem solved.

[saevel]

No. Mercy Stroke is just as weak as all the rest of them (weaker than a lot of them actually). The only job on Mandau that uses MS is THF, and that's not because Mercy Stroke is the cat's ass. It's because stacking it with positionally restricted and cumbersome job abilities can make it not suck some of the time.

Do not mistake that for Mercy Stroke being awesome. The WS itself is crap which is why you see more exenterators and eviscerations coming out of Mandau than Mercy Strokes.

But Byrth said it best, just make these R/M/E dagger WS able to crit natively and problem solved.

Umm no. MS is actually good as far as WS's go, at least if you have a 99 Mandau. Exten is barely better and really depends on target and gear.

MS
3.0 fTP (4.0 DW) (two hits)
60% STR
+40% damage boost.
AM: +5% Crit (both hands)

Exten
4.0 fTP (5.0 DW) (5 hits)
100% AGI
Inflicts -20 accuracy.

At capped accuracy the chance of landing both hits on MS is 90.25%. The chance of landing all five hits on Exten is 77.37%. The real difference between them is the WSC, Exten's 100% AGI means you can stack the sh!t out of it, MS's 60% STR is nearly as good as you can double dip and get an fSTR bonus (until cap). Stacking MS with SA / TA just produces really pretty numbers, it's strong in it's own right. Those two WS's are pretty much dead even if you apply a 99 Mandau and STR Dagger.

[Karbuncle]

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Its a shitty Weaponskill... Its just "good" because most of THF Weaponskills suck ass, So its just the prettiest pile of poo in the room.

But its still poo.

Do in no small part because its A Dagger WS, and they all Suck compared to any other weapon. This is a problem more with 1 handed weapons in general, and most certainly dagger. Mercy Stroke is no better or worse than any other shitty Relic WS (most being 3.0/4.0 fTP 1-hitters), Its just surrounded by more poo than the other ones, so it looks good in comparison.

[Leonardus]

Cloudsplitter.

Looks beautiful, does terrible damage. I think even Primal Rend does better damage at 100 TP. Did they consider that at all? If I save up 300 TP, I could of done three Ruinators. They don't seem to factor that in at all.

[nyheen]

dont know about you guys bout Leaden Salute is kinda strong with magic buff, sure it not like wildfire but it useful. Rudra's Storm is mostly powerful when used thf or dnc Abilities other then that it ok but a boost would work

[Damane]

dont know about you guys bout Leaden Salute is kinda strong with magic buff, sure it not like wildfire but it useful. Rudra's Storm is mostly powerful when used thf or dnc Abilities other then that it ok but a boost would work

its actually terrible outside of VW and Abyssea, Wildfire exeeds in that department miles ahead without magic buffs from VW and AByssea. + the fact that it gets resisted quiet often compared to Wilfire (Darkness dmg pritty much gets resisted on a ton of mobs, check undead, check most NMs etc etc), not to mention the modifiers are just ugh 30% AGI on Laeden Salute vs 60% AGI modifier on wildfire ... yeah