Bring Back Black Mage - New Content

[Cowardlybabooon]

Anyone who has been playing for a number of years remembers all of the BLM specialists that used to run around. There were Tarutarus that simply had everything that BLM could possibly get and always showed up to events on BLM. They were very welcome too! We used to have to kite Kirin around for 30 minutes while the BLMs and SMNs chopped away at him and the MNK was stuck Chi Blasting for 3000 dmg every 3 minutes. Now I'm not saying that all content should exclude major melee DD jobs, but all content should not make BLM obsolete either. There is currently very little use for Meteor, Kaustra, Helixes and even general Elemental Magic spells. So here is my suggestion:

Add one major mob, on the scale of Odin V2 or Arch Dynamis Lord and Pandemonium Warden within the new expansion, that takes magic damage at the normal rate of what a level 110 mob would, but takes little to no physical damage. Then give it ridiculously strong attack power so that only a Paladin or Ninja can tank it. Don't put a time limit on the fight but have multiple force spawn locations in different rooms, and make the mob drop Meteor among other very good items for mage and some for melee.

See what I'm getting at yet? Yes I'm asking you to do what many (not all!) players have asked for and bring back the strategic style of play. A lot of people are tired of 45 second fights on what is considered to be the hardest mobs in the game, and they also have nowhere to use/show off any of their mage gear. Even white mage is boring now because they never run out of MP given the short fights.

I am in a Nyzul static and no one even cares about Nares gear even though it is some of the most amazing mage gear this game has ever seen. We will all end up getting it, but it's really just for future planning in case new content is released that uses mages.

I'll stop there because the amount of people that read posts is inversely proportional to the length of the post, but let's hear your thoughts and hopefully the Dev's can get a response in :-). (please say that revamping black mage is on the list after the jobs you're working on now)

[Damane]

the problem is: unless there is a fix to the enmity system, I really doubt BLM would see a major come-back. Even if you would design a hardcore NM (and is dangerous) that can only be damaged by magic, people would rather use SMN to do the magical dmg, just because to have at least some form of enmity control instead of leting BLMs go loose.

If you want strategic fights you need to fix the fundamental core of the system: Enmity, its flawed and doesnt work at its current stage. Thats neither the Melees, PLD or BLMs fault. its design flaw of the System that needs an overhaul.

[Afania]

the problem is: unless there is a fix to the enmity system, I really doubt BLM would see a major come-back. Even if you would design a hardcore NM (and is dangerous) that can only be damaged by magic, people would rather use SMN to do the magical dmg, just because to have at least some form of enmity control instead of leting BLMs go loose.

If you want strategic fights you need to fix the fundamental core of the system: Enmity, its flawed and doesnt work at its current stage. Thats neither the Melees, PLD or BLMs fault. its design flaw of the System that needs an overhaul.

Enmity system isn't biggest reason why BLM isn't used. Pure DD jobs like WAR DRK SAM MNK DRG is still used as main DD for everything even though they gains enmity faster than every other jobs.

If BLM wants to come back, it's output have to be on par with WAR DRK SAM MNK DRG, and that's it.

[Miiyo]

Enmity system isn't biggest reason why BLM isn't used. Pure DD jobs like WAR DRK SAM MNK DRG is still used as main DD for everything even though they gains enmity faster than every other jobs.

If BLM wants to come back, it's output have to be on par with WAR DRK SAM MNK DRG, and that's it.

What he meant is blm can take hate from those jobs and, instead of a blm damage dealer, becomes a tank.

[Afania]

What he meant is blm can take hate from those jobs and, instead of a blm damage dealer, becomes a tank.

That's really irrelevant considering many endgame stuff are PD zerged. If BLM can deal as much dmg as DRK WAR MNK DRG SAM, you can just put BLM in DD pt and PD zerg legion NMs.

[Miiyo]

That's really irrelevant considering many endgame stuff are PD zerged. If BLM can deal as much dmg as DRK WAR MNK DRG SAM, you can just put BLM in DD pt and PD zerg legion NMs.

Yeah. You PD zerg bosses, but most endgame stuff isn't just bosses. Thread wasn't about just bosses.

[Alhanelem]

BLM needs a come back? I still see them at almost everything. There's about half a dozen other jobs that don't enjoy the same kind of usage.

[Scuro]

BLM needs a come back? I still see them at almost everything. There's about half a dozen other jobs that don't enjoy the same kind of usage.

Agreed.... what the shit are you two talking about, BLM is nothing but heavily desired for content, the only content it doesn't take much part in is probably the ToAU revamping, but thats also because BLM never really was utilized for that content in the first place. BLM is justified in Voidwatch, Abyssea, Legion which is most of the key content to do in FFXI... I'm lost as to how the content has not only brought back BLM, but made it a foundation for the content.... I mean thats like saying "Lets bring back White Mage as the primary healing class!" That's been done... Cure V and Cure VI have pretty much made WHM the unsurpassable pinnacle of healing.

the problem is: unless there is a fix to the enmity system, I really doubt BLM would see a major come-back. Even if you would design a hardcore NM (and is dangerous) that can only be damaged by magic, people would rather use SMN to do the magical dmg, just because to have at least some form of enmity control instead of leting BLMs go loose.

If you want strategic fights you need to fix the fundamental core of the system: Enmity, its flawed and doesnt work at its current stage. Thats neither the Melees, PLD or BLMs fault. its design flaw of the System that needs an overhaul.

.... This is 2012, they made a fix to BLM's enmity issues.... its called Enmity Douse.... sounds like you should try it sometime. Using SMN's for magic damage? What the shit are you talking about lol? The only magic damage you rely on with a SMN, is to proc in Voidwatch.... I've never heard of someone deciding to go with a SMN over a BLM for nuking capabilities and if you can name a few people, please report them to your closest GM for a ban, because it is clear they are hazardous to the community. While the only point I do agree with is that the enmity system is flawed because it is capped to a standard for 75 jobs, in which not most of the jobs could hit the cap, but now, many of the jobs can easily hit the hate cap making tanking for PLD's very difficult with out restraining damage output. Yet the SE's solution to your problem as well (while I hate that this is the solution) bring a THF... they can use collaborator and all that hate moderating abilities in order to balance the hate of a group to be focused on the tank and not on your squishy mages. While it's a shit idea to rely on THF, it is the way to do this.

In Short:
The content has already brought back BLM with its mandatory procs in Voidwatch and its yellow procs in Abyssea, as well as its debatable uses in just about all content, idk sounds like you need to play BLM more and pay more attention to shouts...

[Damane]

Agreed.... what the shit are you two talking about, BLM is nothing but heavily desired for content, the only content it doesn't take much part in is probably the ToAU revamping, but thats also because BLM never really was utilized for that content in the first place. BLM is justified in Voidwatch, Abyssea, Legion which is most of the key content to do in FFXI... I'm lost as to how the content has not only brought back BLM, but made it a foundation for the content.... I mean thats like saying "Lets bring back White Mage as the primary healing class!" That's been done... Cure V and Cure VI have pretty much made WHM the unsurpassable pinnacle of healing.


.... This is 2012, they made a fix to BLM's enmity issues.... its called Enmity Douse.... sounds like you should try it sometime. Using SMN's for magic damage? What the shit are you talking about lol? The only magic damage you rely on with a SMN, is to proc in Voidwatch.... I've never heard of someone deciding to go with a SMN over a BLM for nuking capabilities and if you can name a few people, please report them to your closest GM for a ban, because it is clear they are hazardous to the community. While the only point I do agree with is that the enmity system is flawed because it is capped to a standard for 75 jobs, in which not most of the jobs could hit the cap, but now, many of the jobs can easily hit the hate cap making tanking for PLD's very difficult with out restraining damage output. Yet the SE's solution to your problem as well (while I hate that this is the solution) bring a THF... they can use collaborator and all that hate moderating abilities in order to balance the hate of a group to be focused on the tank and not on your squishy mages. While it's a shit idea to rely on THF, it is the way to do this.

In Short:
The content has already brought back BLM with its mandatory procs in Voidwatch and its yellow procs in Abyssea, as well as its debatable uses in just about all content, idk sounds like you need to play BLM more and pay more attention to shouts...

rofls, even a THF wont help in the enmity department, when you are doing events that are designed for an alliance (Legion). I never stated that SMN nukes with BP harder then BLM, but they have the advantage of no enmity dmg, which believe it or not is still somewhat usefull. I was PARTICULARLY responding to that case above, where the OP stated that melee dmg would be null and void, in that case useing only BLMs on such a mob would lead to way more chaos then anything, especially if you cant kite the mob you have faster dead BLMs then you would like. Even with enmity douse a blm will cap out enmity fast against a pld if he is well geared and can nuke the shit out of the mob. Thats why I say people would rather use SMN if such a fight would exist. But imho such a fight does NOT exist yet.

[Mercilessturtle]

BLM needs a come back? I still see them at almost everything. There's about half a dozen other jobs that don't enjoy the same kind of usage.

BLM exists as a proc job for abyssea and VW. That's it. It isn't used for its actual job role anywhere, ever. Yes, some jobs have it even worse and don't even get to be a proc bitch in 2 non-events. But that doesn't mean BLM is fine.