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  1. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldersyde View Post
    (why do you have to use gil for displacers and not cruor?)
    Small comment on this, I believe this was done for much the same reason as you can not buy Jade Cells with cruor, or Dust with cruor, its to prevent cycles of buying them, then getting the same thing in return to buy them again, even if your gain is much less than the original cost. This is simply my take on it, but I agree it would make cruor a bit more worthwhile again!
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    i think iv seen maybe one single vw shout since the nerf. This is going to be great...
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    Player Fupafighter's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by IvyKyori View Post
    I'm logged in right now, and I guess folks are finding other...dodgy gil makers. I heard that casinos were big a few years ago, but I haven't been around long enough to know what it entails or if it's even legal (pretty sure it's not). But yeah.

    I'm more annoyed at the fact that it was done without warning, and now it's gonna take me even longer to gear up a job that can do dynamis solo (or even duo) since mages (which I main mostly, only two melee jobs I have at 99 is DRG and that was for maat purposes--and ended up leveling up anyways because I liked it enough, and DNC) aren't exactly ideal in that situation.

    I'm also glad I got my T2 Jeuno wins recently, because it took me at least 2 months to get in one in the first place, and I shudder to think, since a couple of those nm's are a pain (I'm looking right at you, Laidly Laurence), how long getting another one of those together will take. And the city wins too...the new folks who need those stuff are gonna feel it once the smoke clears.
    Just so you know, DNC THF and BST are the premiere dynamis solo jobs. Dancer destroys. Just sub thf.
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  4. #164
    Player Fupafighter's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godofgods View Post
    i think iv seen maybe one single vw shout since the nerf. This is going to be great...
    Grow up and be a damn leader then. This goes to all you sitting in port jeuno. Lead the shout if you don't see shit going on(here comes the "but no one will jooooooiiiin fupa). If it fails, so what, atleast you tried to get the event going. Bitching about how it's slowing down, is going to solve nothing.
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  5. #165
    Player Fupafighter's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    The problem is even though it did need another fix, they just broke it. Cruor>Gil was not the best way to keep VW alive, no, but it did the job, now VW is losing incentive, as it was said earlier, VW groups are already having a much harder time getting started now that the info has gone around a bit, and it only serves to get harder with time. The thing is, if creating gil is truly so destructive then why not add something we can buy with cruor that is circulated around players, such as Heavy Metal. 1 Heavy Metal for 30k cruor, tada, cruor is worth something, VW has reclaimed its incentive for people, people can make money at it well still, and all is well. This would be no different than blinkers in the end, except it creates items, not gil, and the items are disposed of via trials, so its not as if their value will sink quickly & they will become worthless.
    Heavy metals would plummet in price instantly. Like 10k a plate.
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  6. #166
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    For me this is disappointing, if they were going to nerf it, they could have nerfed it easily and early on, I mean it's not exactly been a secret that this is what has been going on and then folks could have put time into generating money through a different source instead of relying on cruor. For me, I preferred the exchange of cruor for gil because I don't like time sinks. For me a time sink is where I'm doing something that requires a lot of time doing something that's not enjoyable and is overly repetitive, where it feels like a chore and you're not playing a game. I love FFXI but for me the main setback has been the time sinks - with time sinks you could spend hours doing what is effectively nothing. At least with the gil for cruor method you'd be earning gil whilst doing something else and it might be something that's more enjoyable. I could get it when I'm getting exp or killing NMs. It worked for Voidwatch too.

    It is a disappointment, but if people got too much from it, I wouldn't have completely nerfed it, I'd have still left it so it'd still be worthwhile. But I suppose, it just means I have to look for another means of earning gil, maybe suck in my gut and look for other avenues. Though I think my main gripe here is that SE seem too often find ways of disappointing fans (I don't just mean with FFXI updates) and I don't think it's that people are difficult to please. Yeah, people don't like a nerf, but I feel a compromise would have been better in this instance, rather than have it okay for a long time and then suddenly, out of the blue, patch it up. What this suggests to me is that communication between SE and fans is pretty poor, if it weren't, then SE might have patched this ages ago or they would have made the descision to let the players benefit.
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  7. #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fupafighter View Post
    Grow up and be a damn leader then. This goes to all you sitting in port jeuno. Lead the shout if you don't see shit going on(here comes the "but no one will jooooooiiiin fupa). If it fails, so what, atleast you tried to get the event going. Bitching about how it's slowing down, is going to solve nothing.
    Grow up and understand if no one has interest or a reason(People capped on particular VW run being shouted for) then how can anyone get runs done? Whats the point of wasting even more time just to end up in disappointment?
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  8. #168
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    Totally agree. Abyssea removed the chores of farming. Gil was rendered moot with all the great gears become rare/ex, and the top tier weapons come from magian trials. The game turned into lvl 99 almost instantly, have fun at farming gears instead of gills, exploring your jobs potential with atma combinations, and killing NMs one after another for drops. It's a great change instead of killing the same crab for xp for gazilion times, then everything goes downhill and all the newer NMS pretty much one shot everyone and we resort to PD + Embrava zerg strategy.

    Moral to the story, when you find an exploit, please keep it to yourself, share in secret, never bring it out to the open public and continue exploiting it since its working as intended in the player eyes. It's no secret that SE has a very poor communication skills which should work to our advantage. They are taking way too long to do adjustment. TWO WHOLE YEARS after its introduction.
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    Player Luvbunny's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winrie View Post
    Grow up and understand if no one has interest or a reason(People capped on particular VW run being shouted for) then how can anyone get runs done? Whats the point of wasting even more time just to end up in disappointment?
    Yup, you can shout for hours but when there is no incentive for other people to join, your efforts goes to waste. They could add HMP pouches to all the top tiers NMs and sprinkle single drops to lower tiers NMs. Plate only drop from 5 VW NMs now, and pouches from 3 VW NMs. The same can be done to Riftdross as well instead of only making it drop from 4 VW NMs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fupafighter View Post
    Heavy metals would plummet in price instantly. Like 10k a plate.
    Since you need 1500 of these for 95 why is this a bad thing?
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