For those who keep resurrecting that dead topic....

[Faustenin]

"Stop living in the past"
"Not this thread again"
"FFXI is 20 times better than it was before!"
"Lol, nostalgia is a funny thing"

Yet for those of us who really, know for a fact that pretty much everything about FFXI has pretty much been destroyed in the last few years, from the sense of progression, the now barely-existent community.
No more mystery, exploration, challenge, team coordination; topped off with the fact that the sheer mentioning of this simple fact brings forth droves of people complacent with the virtual chatroom they're paying for.
Lets all just make a mass exodus and find a new MMO to hop over to.
SE is too busy catering to this crowd, and really don't give a damn about us, which seems to be a minority of no real weight in comparison to the GoV hordes.

Whaddya say?
Rekindle that feeling of exploration and challenge with searching for new frontiers, I know I am.

To those who are aching to flame me in a weird quest for self-validation of your opinions, rest assured I'm not posting this to argue with you guys. Nor am I going around bashing FFXI for the sake of being an angry old man, babbling about dem good ole' days. I miss FFXI of old for well, the reasons those of us who do have stated countless times to your apathetic ears. (Well, since this is a forum, eyes.)

More so, I'd like to see how other people feel about just simply finding a new world to be a part of, and if so, which one?



(Pic added because I think it generally summarizes the feel of what I'm trying to express.)

[hiko]

No more mystery, exploration/........./

More so, I'd like to see how other people feel about just simply finding a new world to be a part of, and if so, which one?

I will explore and be part of adoulin!

[Faustenin]

I will explore and be part of adoulin!

I want to be excited about Adoulin, I really do.
But I have a nagging fear that withing a week/month everything is going to pretty much be all over wiki, and not using the wiki will be a mortal sin in the eyes of mission do-ers everywhere.

[Arcon]

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Trying to rally people on a game's forum to quit the game and play another? If it was friends, I'd understand, but mostly strangers? You already called it, people will look at this as merely another angry player raging over how SE hurt their feelings, because that's simply all it is.

Many miss the old days, including me. But they're gone, and won't come back. Moving on can either mean trying a new game (which you're welcome to do) or trying to enjoy the new FFXI. But you're not one to dictate either, and posting something like this just makes you seem childish and unable to control your feelings about the issue.

[Faustenin]

Not so much a rally to quit, but I guess a note those of us to stop fueling the arguments by creating more topics about how much we miss it.
I'm in an insomnia fit at the moment, so words and me arent exactly being chummy, but in essence "FFXI wont change back, dont expect it to. I'm moving on, lets all just move on."
Most of us are unhappy being here the way it is now, and clinging to the past we hope that some day the glory days of FFXI will come back.
Rather than stay here and whine, I'm saying lets just accept what FFXI is and leave if it's so annoying for us.

[Mirage]

I want to be excited about Adoulin, I really do.
But I have a nagging fear that withing a week/month everything is going to pretty much be all over wiki, and not using the wiki will be a mortal sin in the eyes of mission do-ers everywhere.

You're complaining about a wiki site spoiling your exploration? Just don't use it. Do the parts that doesn't require a party the way you want, then team up for the fights after you've already figured out what to do.

Every game has a wiki/gamefaqs, online or not. If you let the existence of this spoil your fun, then maybe the problem really lies with you.

And just for the record, I've played since 2004 and I have few problems with the current FF11. The few problems I do have are outweighted by the good things that have been added and changed. I could list what I dislike, but I feel that everyone who cares about what I think already knows.

[Karbuncle]

Well, This game is better than it used to be, By significant leaps and bounds. I've been playing since NA beta, I've experienced and loved this game significantly for the ~8 Years or So I've played it, But that being said, While i have very very fond memories of my time then, doing Final Promathia fight, Promyvions Climbs, All of CoP in general... Divine Might, so on and so forth... The game was fun, I don't deny that.

But Endgame as a whole sucked, 2-20~+ Hour Random Spawn Ullikummi? All good gear coming from 21-24 Hour Repop HNMs that were camped and Botted By 5+ LSs' daily... It sucked all the way up to CoP in regards to anything but Exploring and the "New MMO Smell". Once ToAU came around and Nyzul/Salvage came, Endgame became less about "Bots" and more about Low drops rates, But i considered that an improvement. Then Einherjar, Which was lovely.

The game has progressively gotten much better since its launch, Abyssea is no different. It changed a lot, Some for good, Some for worse, But in the end, I had a lot of fun with Abyssea too, even though it was mostly a Battle Content Update.

The reason the game is "Stale" and "No exploration or excitement", is because its ten years old and You've been playing it for about that long! - Of course the Exploration and mystery is gone when you've explored every Nook and fking Cranny of the game! - If you played Skyrim for 10 years I'm sure You'd discover every single nuance too. Sheesh!

The only reason, only, some people think Old school used to be better is because of wonderful deep rose tented glasses. Its Nostalgia, nothing else. Maybe some of you are remembering your old LS Friends, Maybe some of you are remembering doing CoP mission, regardless of the memories, its nostalgia. The game has gotten progressively better since launch, I think the only major recent setback was voidwatch Drop rates - Those can suck a dong. Outside of that, I think the game was always in a steady, uphill enjoyability factor for the average population.

I hate using this phrase, But honestly, Those wanting it to go back to the way it was are a minority, and those are the ones who can't grasp the concept of Nostalgia and refuse to understand even if FFXI Went back to exactly how it was in 2004-2005, They wouldn't enjoy it anymore, Because what they're remembering will never come back to them, That new MMO feeling, the new worlds... Nothings going to make Crawler's Nest look more exciting, Nothing's going to make Bohyada tree this big mysterious place... Nothing is going to Wipe your memory and let you start fresh.

So, Am i agreeing or disagreeing with the OP? A little of both. People need to let it go and move on, but people also need to realise nothing about 2004-2007 FFXI is better than 2012 FFXI. Not a d**n thing.

That being said, I did T1~T3 Jeuno Climbs today and had a blast talking to my Alliance, Getting to know eachother, Kicking ass and having fun. It was true fun, Made 2-3 New friends, and Enjoyed every moment of it. We were joking around like 10 year long bar buddies. - So at least if you try, the fun socialization is still there.

[Camiie]

Lets all just make a mass exodus and find a new MMO to hop over to.

Try:

Everquest: http://www.everquest.com/

Ultima Online: http://www.uoherald.com/

Asheron's Call: http://ac.turbine.com/

These MMOs are all really old, so they may be just what you're looking for.

[Mooshywooshy]

Well.. the old game is still in there. Ive played since 2004 and havent completed RoZ, CoP, ToAU, WoTG, or any of the add-ons. I was busy doing..other stuff with the game. Only thing you cant get back is the old community. It is currently filled with people who know it all, because.. they literally know it all.

Everything is very precise these days. Everything must be done in the best possible way with the best equipment in the best time or else its not worth peoples time. And honestly it shouldnt be held against them. People have done all the expansions and more, thus I dont feel they should go out of the way to help me anymore.

Sure I feel lots of the time the current community is very cold and unwelcoming, but its to be expected. It takes a lot of time to live up to the current standards set in the community as acceptable. If you're not that big into doing that stuff, then you cant hold it against others if they want to.

People might think im a noob, but its pretty true. I could tell you more than anyone about the structure of the game and how things technically work, but ask me how a Shinryu is beaten... my best answer is "I heard you drink some kind of orange juice and hit it with a sword"

I guess im just trying to say, if you look hard enough, you'll find people like yourself who enjoyed and miss the old days. Not eeeverybody is 1337prohax. You can still have fun with them and possibly do things you havent done.

As for Adoulin, yeah wiki will have everything in a day or 2, but thats how its basically always been. I remember looking up how to do the promys on release on wiki, doesnt take away from the awe of new things (at least for me), it just helps so you arent wandering around for days after you finish a mission where the npc tells you some cryptic message that you have no idea what it means, and it ends up "Find the one who can cast your shadows into the annals of time" meant "Talk to this baby taru standing next to me lul"

[Meyi]

Mooshy I love you, haha!

Arcon and Karbuncle bring up amazing points too.

Really, the magic is gone because the game has been so thoroughly explored there's nothing left to awe us. When the game first came out, every new zone was fresh and majestic. I remember hating San d'Oria because it wasn't Bastok and was therefore the enemy. Or visiting Jeuno for the first time. Collecting airship keys with 16 other people because we were too weak to solo them. Took days, really. Or how about visiting the Shadow Lord for the first time?

I personally enjoy having knowledge of the game now. Yes, it has taken a lot of the shiny sparkle sensation away, but I feel... more confident with the game. I'm no longer foolishly trying to find my way through the dark.

This game is like a relationship. The initial happy, breath being taken away and quivering knees phase is gone. It's been replaced with a strong admiration and appreciation bond. The romance has died but we can't leave it because it's too familiar to us. I won't dump Vana'diel just because I know every freckle on her body -- I love her too much and enjoy the pleasure she gives me when I visit.