DRK is 3x more OP than vanilla WAR's Ukko's Fury

[Calamity]

DRK's didn't have a 2H crit WS nor any extremely restrictive procs. Thus in abyssea they were mostly ignored in favor of proc friendly jobs or jobs with crit WS that did insane damage. Voidwatch is all about zerging something dead in 120s or less while riding fanatics and procing like crazy. DRK/WAR with Berserk, Last Resort, Stalwarts, March's, Minutes and food can hit ridiculous levels of attack. Some of the higher end mobs have high defense / evasion and thus a Soul Eater Resolution spamming DRK/WAR does insane damage on them.

Next year something else will be the "in" thing and life will move on.

All this, but let's not forget we also give that nice extra 10% attack to chaos roll. Cor party forever. ^^

[Taint2]

The sad part is a WAR using a Greatsword > a DRK using a Greatsword > a DRK using a Scythe.

[Babekeke]

Quick question about DRK in VW... does fanatics prevent HP lost from Souleater? I saw a mild reference to it in one of these threads, but it doesn't seem like it would make sense for fanatics rather than fools. The reference was something along the lines of "A DRK using souleater under the effect of fanatics or perfect defense..." though it might have just meant that you can't kill yourself with it under those conditions and you still need cure bombs, idk.

[saevel]

Quick question about DRK in VW... does fanatics prevent HP lost from Souleater? I saw a mild reference to it in one of these threads, but it doesn't seem like it would make sense for fanatics rather than fools. The reference was something along the lines of "A DRK using souleater under the effect of fanatics or perfect defense..." though it might have just meant that you can't kill yourself with it under those conditions and you still need cure bombs, idk.

No it doesn't prevent HP loss from soul eater. What it does do is prevent the DRK from dieing when their HP is going down during the NMs super aoe moves. SE and Fanatics both have the same duration of 60s, so if you pop SE right before you pop Fanatics you should be protected the entire time. A good WHM will be cure bombing their parties DRK during that first 60s zerg time.

[Rezeak]

Indeed DRK is overpowered in Void watch just as a ukkos WAR is overpowered in abyssea outside of there it's alot closer.

btw if a DRK is 3x more powerful than a WAR then it's the person playing that WAR i've seen WARs get pretty close to Ragna DRK going all out.

The sad part is a WAR using a Greatsword > a DRK using a Greatsword > a DRK using a Scythe.

Only with 2hr tho after that DRK > WAR with GSD

[Taint2]

Only with 2hr tho after that DRK > WAR with GSD

The DRK in me wishes that was the true. The harder the mob the more GS favors WAR, especially Ragnarok. LR is the saving grace of DRK. (the minute its down really really hurts) Don't get me wrong there are situations where DRK beats WAR with a greatsword but most of the now content greatly favors WAR. (Watcher,Legion) Once you factor in WARs 2hr its not even close, but you know that already.

[saevel]

The DRK in me wishes that was the true. The harder the mob the more GS favors WAR, especially Ragnarok. LR is the saving grace of DRK. (the minute its down really really hurts) Don't get me wrong there are situations where DRK beats WAR with a greatsword but most of the now content greatly favors WAR. (Watcher,Legion) Once you factor in WARs 2hr its not even close, but you know that already.

Umm what ..

WAR/SAM
DRK/SAM

Both have a 3/5min 25% attack boost. WAR had DA, DRK has SE. And if your talking pure embrava / PD "zerg" then DRK/WAR has both Berserk and LR to go with their SE. WAR has aggressor but WAR also has less accuracy then DRK.

The only thing WAR has over DRK is MS / Savagery WC. MS can be done once per 2hr for insane numbers. Nice to have but I like to fight more then 1 NM per event day.

[Rezeak]

The harder the mob the more GS favors WAR, especially Ragnarok.

I don't get how tho if ya could explain.

w/ Legion we found DRK would destroy WARs mainly cause we PDed every mob and you can use Mighty strikes once but you can use Souleater every 5-6 mins.

[saevel]

I can't figure out what he's talking about ....

DRK has more attack then WAR so pDiff isn't a factor. Res isn't a crit WS so WAR's CAB II / Emp +2 boots aren't really a factor. Rag has +crit rate but crit rate has diminishing returns similar to DA, also both have similar gear options so that's not an issue.

And that's pretty much it outside of MS zerging which is once per 2hr.

[Taint2]

Here are numbers for you:

Fodder: (capped ACC and ATT no lvl correction)
DRK/SAM

Set 1 Set 2
672 628
467.920 279.760

5.35 4.83
3846 3809

7441 6843
581 771

768.433 532.813

Set 1 Set 2

72 38
687.037


WAR/SAM

Set 1 Set 2
682 650
441.759 421.379

4.71 4.71
4255 3812

7465 6874
556 556

805.557 741.789

Set 1 Set 2

72 38
783.528



High lvl mob (120lvl)

DRK/SAM
Great Sword Great Sword
Resolution Resolution
20% 20%
1 1


Set 1 Set 2
267 225
185.910 145.900

6.56 6.72
1241 1131

2992 2644
685 742

262.011 213.724

Set 1 Set 2

72 38
245.330

WAR/SAM

Great Sword Great Sword
Resolution Resolution
20% 20%

0 0
8.98% 8.98%


Set 1 Set 2
307 197
198.960 127.613

6.08 7.10
1506 808

3374 2207
683 778

296.293 170.274

Set 1 Set 2

72 38
252.759

DRK/WAR (what you should be for a 120lvl mob) (scewed because I have LR on the same up/down timer as zerk and agg, which will reduce the overall)

Great Sword Great Sword
Resolution Resolution
20% 20%
1 1


Set 1 Set 2
322 228
224.053 101.396

6.35 7.36
1521 1189

3566 2864
668 1112

320.425 154.619

Set 1 Set 2

72 38
263.147