Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

[Spiritreaver]

Read the whole thread and this post sums up the whole deal imo

There probably wasn't an appropriate course of action that would fix anything. What people should have done is not do events they don't like and not let the lure of shinies and a sense of entitlement lead them to break the rules.

That right there is the correct answer.

Awesome stuff in NNI, no question about it. But in classic form, SE hid it behind a shoddy rehash of a good event. An event that absolutely pales to its predecessor. Now i am in no way God's gift to anyone, but i did a good bit of NNI when it hit, then promptly said 'No thanks' when i saw it for the crap that it is. I've abstained from the event since and plan on continuing to until it gets reworked. And when the whole SCHX2 BS strat hit, i knew i'd made the right choice, 'cause i knew where it was all headed.

IMO if more ppl had done the same, SE would have paid more attention to the event before now. Well more than that thing with the wins on lower lvls going toward an item from higher up anyways.

And real fast at this

I don't think i said they wouldn't do bans, I'm just saying if they do, Half the playerbase would like end up gone because of the aftermath...

Nope. The exact same thing was said before the Salvage bannings back in the day. Game is STILL here and humorously ppl didn't take anything away from what happened last time.

Not picking at you Karbuncle by any means, just using this because its almost word for word what i recently heard ingame. And that conversation was a carbon copy of one i heard back in '08 right before the bannings.

And on another note, even if ppl do end up getting banned over this, i'm pretty sure they'll be back ingame within the week. Just like last time.

[Karbuncle]

Nope. The exact same thing was said before the Salvage bannings back in the day. Game is STILL here and humorously ppl didn't take anything away from what happened last time.

I don't believe so entirely, What was said before the Salvage bans was something along the lines of "If they ban us, All the best players will be gone, and No one will ever figure anything out in the future". I don't think anyone expected the game to die... Right now though, It would suck for a lot of people. Either way, Their arrogance was pretty hilarious, "They won't ban us, Its game mechanics" and so forth... Acting like no one would figure anything out with them gone... That's not so much the case this time around... It would be more about people looking at their friend list and seeing it half empty, and becoming bored... causing a cascade effect.

I can safely say one of the top 3 causes of players leaving is their friends are no longer playing, Wiping a good chunk of peoples friends of the list will cause them to lose the drive to play.

It won't kill the game for sure, But it would definitely be a body blow to it. I know I'd be quite upset if i logged in missing half of my Friendslists or LS... I'd probably end up quitting. Last time i quit I just had money problems, and it seemed like a good time to go, If i logged on and had no one to talk too, I'd never look back.

Not picking at you Karbuncle by any means, just using this because its almost word for word what i recently heard ingame. And that conversation was a carbon copy of one i heard back in '08 right before the bannings.

Well then whoever said that is tarded :P.

As far as people being banned coming back, With Salvage bans, Games was still technically... newer, PLayers didnt mind starting over, Someone who was banned from this was banned... well... from this, I'd like to think they'd probably take the time to walk away, unless they're hopeless addicted which, I'm not discounting.

As a Disclaimer, I will say, I'm not picking on you either there. But i will say this, As far as just not going for the 'Shinies', Unfortunately thats hard for a lot of people. No one would deny MMO's at their core are games designed around 2 things.

1) Talking to people
2) Shinies.

We can't all use the game as an expensive Skype with Avatars, A lot of players play only for the Shinies, asking them to ignore the Shinies because the event is basically asking them to quit the game. The problem isn't entirely in people using these methods, Its in the fact SE Designed an event so rediculous that people felt the only hope of winning was in using these methods.

I will admit, I gave serious consideration to these methods, But I ultimately never did it because well, I was not playing at the time, But i shudder to think what may have been If i was active during the influx. I personally don't think I've of resorted to cheats, But i do know I will not fault those who did.

This is in regards to Lamp Dat swapping of course.

[Camiie]

If SE bans any of the tiny amount of players left on this game because of this they are stupid.

I dunno, as I said in the Alla thread on this topic, Japan pretty much invented the idea of honor before reason. I think SE places a much higher value on integrity than we westerners can comprehend. Cultural differences aside, they've proven they don't like cheating or exploits that lead directly to gear and gil production. They may not catch everyone, but they will do bans over this.

[Monchat]

Greetings!

We recently confirmed that there is a bug for Nyzul Isle assault where users are able to know the order of lamps via the usage of unintended exploits.

The development team is currently working to fix this as soon as possible, but please keep in mind that using third-party tools or any form of game exploit usage will not be tolerated and that we are continuously keeping track and dealing with this issue.

Finally, if you are aware of players possibly using exploits, we urge you to make a report to the Special Task Force to help facilitate our investigation.

This is even more proof that the feedback on the EN forums aren't even taken into account by the DEVs. There have been like 5+ thread about this. Ironically everytime someone mentionned the cheat too explicitly they were banned or post deleted.

Either that or you are bunch of hypocrites that faint discovering an issue. It's funny that when a JP finds one you tube video with cheater the JP reps immediatly reply and action is taken lol. Btw the leader on that video came here making tons of posts on how he is good at nyzul and is full of mad skillz.

I'm still offering 5 umbral marrow to anyone proving me with a video that they won nyzul SE's client and with at least one order lamp floor with 5 lamps.

Good'old FFXI devs, fixing the symptom instead of fixing content. this is just the nth time. I remember the first chocobo diggin and fishing nerfs..

[Luvbunny]

Nothing change as usual... REMOVE the lamps order and we should be fine. As many have said, have everyone touch the lamp, call it a day, fix the problem and no one needs to cheat.

[Arcon]

No one will be banned for dat swaps, as they're client side and undetectable by SE. The only things they could detect would be clippers, if they cared enough to do it.

It's sad to see SE didn't learn a thing. Although not surprising, which is even more sad.

SE missed the point more than the movie Pearl Harbor. And that's an awful lot, girl.

[Frost]

My only beef with the whole thing is finding people that don't cheat.

I don't use dats and I don't want to. I was interested in the event, and proposed several times to start a group that aims for Level 80 Key Items...

But no one is interested in that.

When groups blatantly talk about cheating openly in party chat... I don't go with them again.

I'm for adjusting the difficulty by adding/changing:

1) "Floor jumps" (purchasable?)

2) Lamp adjustments. (The bullshit pause after you correctly solve them needs to go at the very least)

3) Starting the timer on Floor 1 (not the 20 seconds while your screen is black and the 10 seconds before you can move...)

4) The Key Items needed for gear needs to be reduced to 5 instead of 25.

As far as bans?
I know it'd get rid of nearly 100% of the 'problem children' on my server, and that'd be awesome.
Unfortunately it might nail a few good people that were either helping out on what they thought to be a legitimate run that wasn't; or people that went on a run that turned out to be illegitimate, but were too nice to say anything or leave (or did but after the first run).

[Monchat]

No one will be banned for dat swaps, as they're client side and undetectable by SE.

they can probably detect how many people are "lucky" enough to guess lamp order on the first try, and figure out where enemies/lamps etc are within 30s.

[Arcon]

they can probably detect how many people are "lucky" enough to guess lamp order on the first try, and figure out where enemies/lamps etc are within 30s.

If they keep track of that, and it's still no proof, I actually got it right on the first try just this week helping friends reach FL100 on old Nyzul Isle. And dat swaps don't help with finding anything quicker either, only recognizing the lamp order.

[Randwolf]

It won't kill the game for sure, But it would definitely be a body blow to it. I know I'd be quite upset if i logged in missing half of my Friendslists or LS... I'd probably end up quitting.

1) I doubt they can tell who swapped dat's
2) If they can, I hope they give them the hammer
3) If the friends of people who get the hammer feel the need to leave, I'll show them the door

Not feeling pity for anyone who chose friends, or an LS, who are cheaters. The correct response would have been to not do the event and continually complain to S/E until it is fixed. Part of the reason S/E fixes things is they see no one is doing it. Instead, when people cheat, a smaller group complains, because the cheaters don't complain as it is no longer an annoyance, and the event never gets fixed. And, then more people realize that the solution is cheating. So, nothing ever gets fixed and cheating becomes the fallback answer for every broken thing in the game.