Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

[Reiterpallasch]

Dropping the bronze/silver/mythril/gold astrarium requirement from 25 to 5, and allowing them all to be redeemed for the next higher tier would be a nice step towards making this event less of a kick to the balls.

Get to 100? Nice, here's your instant HQ piece. Can't quite make it or RNG having funsies with you? At least you can still work towards HQ gear in a reasonable amount of time.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Would using Vent be considered cheating? Since the original means to communicate between players was the chat window in FFXI... And Vent lets you actually TALK talk to others about strats/etc... I'm not asking for the "are you serious" face or anything. Just popped into mind that Sqenix might view it as a 3rd party tool... I don't see how it is though. >_>

No, it doesn't interact with the game.

[Danita]

Warning: Long read/rant.

I play this game to do things with my friends while getting something to show for it. At the same time, I really like to focus on being well equipped and having great gear, because that makes it possible to participate in more events (try being a PLD in VW without mythic/relic/empyrian).

None of my friends are really big into game mechanics or have serious play time. Many are just now coming back or have recently done so. As a result, my friends do just fine in places where excessive buffs can make up for what they don't have (such as Abyssea), or where adding more people to the event can do so (such as Neo-Limbus). In places where every person counts (Neo-Nyzul) and/or excessive buffs aren't available (Legion), my friends know that they are a liability to the group without being told. The result is that they don't do these events. And since I play to spend time with my friends, even though I could be successful in these arenas, I don't do these events... but I want to.

This is where things get upsetting for me. My casual friends simply aren't going to get geared up fast enough to keep up with new content, and so I'm stuck outside of the events I want to do because I can't take my friends with me. It leaves me with two choices:
1) Go without my friends.
2) Skip the event.

If I do the first thing, my friends realize that I never have time for them because they are too far behind the power-curve, so they question why I invited them back in the first place. And the truth is I never really have time to stop what I'm doing to help them, but they can't get caught up without help. Then they quit.

If I do the second thing, I focus on gearing my friends up so I can do things with them, and since we're having fun more and more friends come back to the game. SO I focus on more and more people, and pretty soon I'm playing the game for everyone else. It's better than playing alone, but eventually I get burned out and quit. After I quit, things stop getting done in my casual group since I mainly organized or coordianted things. People break up into smaller groups or join other linkshells, other people get bored, and they quit. Then I get tired of not playing, come back, invite my friends back who quit, but am unable to get the ones back who are in new linkshells. My group is then even more desperately in need of building up, so I focus on that with them, and I'm back to being unable to do any content with my friends because it's too difficult and I simply can't get them caught up at the pace in which content is released.

Why am I posting this here?

Because I need you, SE, to STOP MAKING CASUAL UNFRIENDLY CONTENT. Abyssea was a perfectly designed arena. Hardcore players can get all they want quickly, make a lot of money, and have time for other activities. Casual players can log in for a few hours, get a little bit done - and even if they don't actually achieve anything specific that day, they get bits and pieces (upgrade items/key items/atma/abyssite/exp/cruor/ops) of achievement that they can carry on to the next day, or whenever they are able to next log in. With even just one other person, I have enough personal job flexibility to be able to get something useful done, and with a larger group the event scales because we can then mass farm KI's and work on bigger projects like empyrian weapons.

Old nyzul isle was also good in this way. You could climb in major jumps as a hardcore player and/or farm multiple bosses. At the same time, casual players could climb a few floors and come back again to continue progress, possibly getting a useful ??? item or weapon to unlock as well as a few exp.

Neo-nyzul is so bad right now that I can't get a group of 6 people to do it. Literally...can't. I am so upset about the situation that I have considered spending real money on gil so that I can pay someone who will make the climb and let me lot the items. (And now you guys are going to make it even less likely that anyone can win at this?! RAAAAGE)

Since there is no way my friends and I can succeed at this, then how about just letting me pay you directly for the gear? I have taken 2 SCH in and the best we did was floor 60, once. Since then, I can't even get my girlfriend to do this event with me - it's that upsetting to everyone involved. Literally, after one week of experiencing this event, one of my friends immediately cancelled his account. Another cancelled a few weeks later when it was apparent we couldn't get any interest drummed up from there. If this change you are talking about doesn't also come with something to make this event actually winnable, I'm probably going to cancel again as well. I don't know how else to express the sheer rage and frustration I feel when the only hope for me to succeed at something is to reward cheaters and/or the ultra-rich and elite groups by spending real money so I can line their pockets with gil. Why the f-k can't I take 5 friends and get any gear from this, even if it means I spend more time due to the casual nature of my group? Instead of saving progress and continuing (winning half as often as cheaters or elite groups, which I can live with), we start over and win NEVER.

MMORPG's and RPG's in general reward amazing players and amazing luck, yes. But they have also always awarded people willing to just grind away at something as many times as it takes to win. That's why I play them; that's my ability. I don't play fast-twitch games like shooters because I'm not that skillful. I don't play games where you have to be perfectly lucky to get the best stuff like Diablo because I hate for luck to be my total master (which is why I hate VW, although the ticketing system is a start in the right direction). I love games where luck is a factor, yes, but where you can always make small but steady progress in the form of points or saves.

The bottom line, as I see things for your business is this:

If you only want FFXI to be funded by Hardcore players while casuals continue to quit, keep doing what you are doing with your events. If I could find the person responsible for Neo-Nyzul, I'd kick him in the nuts.

[MrPeet]

everything in danitas last post sums up why i quit ffxi

[Zerich]

Would using Vent be considered cheating? Since the original means to communicate between players was the chat window in FFXI... And Vent lets you actually TALK talk to others about strats/etc... I'm not asking for the "are you serious" face or anything. Just popped into mind that Sqenix might view it as a 3rd party tool... I don't see how it is though. >_>

staaaahppp

[Darkria]

With or without bots, dats, and more, have you ever heard of a nin, thf, or any other jobs like that complete it? I would like to have my other char get some of that gear, but not only will no one let me on those jobs, but they are useless in neo nyzul. SE doesnt need to go after the people using these cheats, they need to make it so anyone can obtain the gear. No matter what job they have or dont have. I will not spend my time lvling a job I do not want to play or already have lvled on another acocunt so I can get the gear.

[Arcadeus]

It's the lamps that are the problem, those who are majorly complaining are wanting the gear handed to them without having first obtained decent non Nyzul gear and a reliable team. It's natural that some jobs will not work in Neo, the mobs are very strong and hit very hard and you have to kill them very quickly, so naturally a job like a NIN or a THF will not prosper as well as a Resolution DRK. Nyzul is frankly NOT something for the casual, beating challenging content is reserved for those who go the extra mile to make sure they're the pinnacle of their job to the best of their ability. Also, if you honestly think that the JP don't hack in Nyzul, DAT swap in Nyzul, then you're awfully deluded.

I would go as far as to say the Japanese do it far more than NA players. In my first Nyzul static we tried and we tried, but on average we won a tag every three weeks. Meanwhile every JP player I saw go in, no matter the gear, would win.

[Kitkat]

And already you have players pulling the "All you haters wear pearle/aurora/etc gear" "you're casual players" and all I can do is play the card: Bullshit. Worked my ass off to get gear I have including relic weapon (soon to be plural) and emp weapon. I've been doing the VW grind as I can to get gear from there as well to keep up to date, but I find most my play time is centered around times my LS/friends are asleep or at work now or they have created groups already. I now find myself in a situation where I either learn a new language to find a group or screw my sleep over a fair amount to participate during "peak times."

Kindly take your cheating tears of sorrow to the corner where you belong. If you get banned after investigations are completed my heart bleeds purple panther piss for you, but seriously...what the hell did you expect? Was not the salvage bans proof enough that SE will go after players who willingly and continuously abuse an exploit? And don't flatter yourself, using exploits/cheats/hacks doesn't make you "hardcore" "better" or "more skilled" than anyone else. Just means you'll sink to do whatever possible to make sure you get what you want. Not the brightest way to go about showing an event is broken...by circumventing it with the use of cheats.

[Ophannus]

Nyzul gear is some of the best gear in the game. Nobody said everyone needs to have it. It's possible to win nyzul but not 100% of the time, people CAN and DO win legitimately, it just takes many, many tries. Nobody said that gear of this magnitude should be easy to get and you should go 5/5 on all 3 sets in 15 runs.

Old nyzul isle was also good in this way. You could climb in major jumps as a hardcore player and/or farm multiple bosses. At the same time, casual players could climb a few floors and come back again to continue progress, possibly getting a useful ??? item or weapon to unlock as well as a few exp.

You've completely disregarded the fact that:
1) Floor 20/40/60/80 bosses drop gear too that isn't that far from floor 100 gear in terms of stats.
2) Any chump pickup group with a goodsetup can set the stopper on floor 60/80 and easily clear these to get gear and astrariums.
3) Just like how in your post: hardcore player and/or farm multiple bosses. At the same time, casual players could climb a few floors and come back again to continue progress, in neo nyzul a similar system is there. Hardcore players with excellent gear/cohesiveness and powder boots could make it to 100, while casuals could farm lower floors and farm astrariums to get 100's. The difference in stats between 80 and 100 are 1-2 points of stats difference and set effect. 20-80 gear is for casuals and 100 gear is for hardcore. I'm not defending SE but I'm not chastising them either. The content is fine the way it is. Why make it easier for casuals to get floor 100 gear when it's already easy enough to get and the stats make it the best in the game? Last I checked most players went months at 75 to get abjuration gear like E.body or getting salvage gear to drop, the luck/skill factor of Neo Nyzul to get to 100 simulates the same time sink, going weeks-months to get your coveted 100 piece just like it took week-months to build an ares PIECE.

[larrymc]

Greetings!

We recently confirmed that there is a bug for Nyzul Isle assault where users are able to know the order of lamps via the usage of unintended exploits.

The development team is currently working to fix this as soon as possible, but please keep in mind that using third-party tools or any form of game exploit usage will not be tolerated and that we are continuously keeping track and dealing with this issue.

Finally, if you are aware of players possibly using exploits, we urge you to make a report to the Special Task Force to help facilitate our investigation.

Makes you wonder if Neo-Nyzul Isle was/is just a honeypot. The lamp dat mod, along with other exploits have been talked about openly on this forum for at least 4 months. And they are just now getting around to fixing it...