The necessary Paladin overhaul (Here you go S-E - I've fixed the job for you)

[Zagen]

I've had vorpals hit close to 3k in abyssea in pearl gear and easily obtained swords like honorbound. It's not that difficult to do. A paladin who goes all out for damage can put out good numbers. They may not be monks or dragoons - but they can deffinitely add acceptable melee dps to any group.

Cool I've hit a 4k Vorpal before that doesn't mean I average it or anything remotely close to it. >.>

[Dale]

Cool I've hit a 4k Vorpal before that doesn't mean I average it or anything remotely close to it. >.>

You miss the point, as usual.

The point is if even a paladin who is just goofing around with mediocre dps gear and no merits in that direction can land 3k vorpals, I think it's safe to say in the right hands the paladin can make an acceptable damage dealer - thus refuting the hollow claim paladins are useless and weak and can't do damage.

I've been reading your posts for awhile now Zag and I have to say to make you satisfied and not say paladins suck they would have to be mini Gods that run around one shotting entire zones...this latest argument of yours pretty much taking the cake. Now you are implying paladins would have to average 4k damage per weapon skill to not "suck" at dps. It's just nonsense.

[Greatguardian]

When so much of your damage is coming from Cruor buffs/Atmas, you're not really going to average much higher than 2k-2.5k Vorpals even with ideal gear =/.

ITT: People have different definitions of suck. The melee SMN thread totally didn't teach people that at all.

[Sephiran]

I like this a lot. I really want to the magic aspects of PLD get some love. (I still sub WHM, I love them so much.)