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    Player saevel's Avatar
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    Question about Upheaval / Resolution / Ruinator and WAR.

    LS mate working on WAR and asked questions about the best merit WS. He's working towards an Ukon and has no plans for a Relic GAXE.

    Looking over there three, for the interim.

    Resolution
    4.59375 fTP (all 5 hits no DA) 100% STR
    Jingang GSWD for 5-hit

    Upheaval
    4.0 fTP (would it be better to use VIT belt / gorget due to no copy fTP?) 4-hit 100% VIT
    Magian WS+10% GAXE? / OaT GAXE? (no idea what the best non-RME would be here)

    Ruinator (/NIN ~shudder~)
    6.0 fTP with five hits, 100% STR, 37% attack bonus
    Magian Fire Axes? (Not sure if there are better options for this)

    I'm only including the Axe one due to it's retarded fTP, STR mod and Shoha like attack bonus (on all hits).

    Again this is an temp solution until he makes an Ukon. Upheaval looks really weak compared to the other two, is there some special setup that makes it stronger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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    Guessing he hasn't done nyzul so took out rheic/phorcys, Resolution w/ Jingang will do better on weaker mobs and Str telamon with upheaval on stronger mobs (or on say T3 VW if you're not maintaining buffs, if you are probably better off with resolution as long as ally isn't dragging ass causing buffs to drop constantly). Attack penalty hurts resolution quite abit on stronger mobs since war isn't stacking zerk and LR.

    I don't feel like checking Ruinator until home from work, would take awhile.
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    Last edited by Neisan_Quetz; 05-30-2012 at 03:10 AM.

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    Also what level of gear are we talking about? Augmented Shadow breastplate level of abyssea / voidwatch level? I'm asking cause it does no good to outline a build that isn't reachable until well past when this guys' got his Ukon. I'm looking for VIT WS gear and not coming up with many amazing pieces outside twilight, what are some of the things this guys gotta start collecting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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    Real basic gear as in bare bones set imo, Grim cuirrass /twilight body relic+2 emp+2 etc, if he has ogier's legs and needs acc use that, same deal with Avant+1. Terasoul ring/Spiral/Apathy/Warwolf for Upheaval, same basic barebones set for Reso but used Mekira head and Avant+1 legs.
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    Also, how does Draca Couse and Stardiver compare?
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    Hmm forgot WAR could use that PLM.

    I know for SAM Draca Couse + StarDiver is a freaking beast.
    3.8 fTP on 4 hits, 100% STR for StarDiver
    4.0 fTP 4 hits 100% VIT for Upheaval
    4.59375 fTP 5 hits 100% STR, -8% attack for Resolution

    Hmm now we're down to the acc / atk difference from each of those weapons and what you have access to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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    Ok playing with the DPS sheets, I get Res slightly, very slightly ahead of Fire Magian Upheaval. Once you start uncapping accuracy though the GAXE pulls ahead due to it's 18 higher acc. Though resolution still does more WS damage the Fire GAXE has higher melee dps. Save TP / Monarchs and buffs favor the Jing Res over the Fire Upheaval.

    Conclusion would be that a Jing Res setup would work as a good stand-in until he gets his Ukon. He doesn't have bother with building a Fire GAXE that'll be replaced with something far superior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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    Was going to mention that, although I haven't checked the rest yet. Only because time/money spent on another magian weapon is time that could have spent on ukon (at least with one handers you can dual wield). After ukon is done at least you can sell back the jingang/draca couse (Axe would need either magian weapon or possibly pulse weapon to be competitive on harder mobs imo).
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    draca couse is good for sam because:
    -GK have low base dmg
    -couse have "higher" delay =>better hit build than with GK
    -GK WS are only good when you have "low" attack

    if SE add a new polearm WAR can equip SD can be a good option, draca is too low to be a good option
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiko View Post
    draca couse is good for sam because:
    -GK have low base dmg
    -couse have "higher" delay =>better hit build than with GK
    -GK WS are only good when you have "low" attack

    if SE add a new polearm WAR can equip SD can be a good option, draca is too low to be a good option
    No fundamental difference between WAR and SAM in this respect. SAM's use Draca + SD because Shoha has a glass ceiling once you start throwing on large amounts of attack buffs. WAR's have slightly better options for WS, including both Res and the awesomeness that is an Ukon.

    Was going to mention that, although I haven't checked the rest yet. Only because time/money spent on another magian weapon is time that could have spent on ukon (at least with one handers you can dual wield). After ukon is done at least you can sell back the jingang/draca couse (Axe would need either magian weapon or possibly pulse weapon to be competitive on harder mobs imo).
    Pretty much, even with a Fire magian GAXE it gets very close, almost entirety depending on buffs and how pimped your gear is. Jing's strongest asset is it's 504 delay which makes getting a 5-hit only require ~45 sTP in TP gear and ~20 in WS gear. Once you include /SAM your looking at 30 sTP for TP and whatever the heck you want in Ws gear.

    TP:
    Sub: Rose +4
    Neck: Hyouris +3
    Ear1: Brutal +1
    Body: Ravagers +2 +8
    Ring1: Tyrant +4
    Ring2: Rajas +5
    Waist: Goading +5

    Those are all piss easy to get with the neck being the absolute "hardest" to get. Could put on a White tathlim instead and get the same overall result. Makes for a great "starter" set that won't get you embarrassed. Good news is they both share most of the same WS gear, so whatever effort is put into the res build will eventually spill over to the Ukon build.
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    Last edited by saevel; 05-30-2012 at 10:51 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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