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    As I said earlier, Ranged crits are different from melee crits. Ranged crits always increase damage by 25%, while melee crits increase damage by >50% in many situations. This is a fundamental problem with ranged attacks that SE attempted to address with Dead Aim (increases ranged crit damage), but Dead Aim doesn't work on WSs. This is why JR's crit rate is much less important than you think.
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    When both WS's are damn near dead even in damage, then the one that crits will typically beat the one that doesn't. I know that ranged crits are bleh, hence I mentioned earlier "whatever that's worth". They may not be much but they are something and to pretend they don't exist isn't realistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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    Last Stand is
    2.0 @100
    2.125 @200
    2.25 @300

    0.125/4 = 0.03125 for a 25% TP boost bringing it to 2.03125 @100. 2.22525 with belt / gorget. 4.4505 total.

    JR 1.75 fTP. 1.944 with belt / gorget, 5.832 total.

    31.04% fTP in favor of JR, higher WSC and base DMG will favor LS with a 30~38% base damage. The difference between Last Stand and JR (with absolutely no crits) is down to single digit percentages. Once you put in crits on JR it goes right over LS's damage. The difference between the two is incredibly small which is why crits actually matter, that damage bonus however small is the deciding factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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    Well, using this random set I pulled off of FFXIAH for Last Stand with their suggested modifications: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/256475
    91+94 AGI = 157 base damage from AGI

    And using this one for Jishnu's: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/219337
    86+73 DEX = 80 base damage from DEX

    (203+157)/(168+80) = 1.45x more base damage on Last Resort

    Near-equal STR on both sets. You would need a 40% crit rate with 0% Crit damage, or a ~27% crit rate with 9% crit damage to make the sets approximately equal. Outside Abyssea when fighting the monsters RNG is good against (aka in Legion or high level VW), a 27% crit rate is probably going to be pretty hard to come by. It is also unclear that Ranged Attack crits work in the same way as melee crits. People aren't even sure they depend on Dex or have the same range.
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    I hope to hell that's not the set you used, especially if you auto-magically set attack to capped in both cases. The JR set has more ranged attack in it's macro, the LS set is going for pure AGI.

    If you set attack to capped then lots of gear in the JR set is worthless.

    Talk about biased.

    27% crit rate is probably going to be pretty hard to come by.
    5% Base
    5% Merits

    Only need 17% more, and you can guarantee that WS is at least 15% @100 if not more. There also is +3% crit rate in that set and their not using the tonberry mantle to get another +5%. Gearing for dex increase's dDex, shouldn't be hard to cap dDex when it's also your WSC. No testing has really been done which is sad, so until there is evidence to the contrary we must assume dDex works in both cases because +crit obvious does. So assuming 0 from dDex we get at least 33% crit rate in JR. Doesn't look nearly so difficult now.

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    Completely forgot about Athos's set bonus. Swap in Athos's hands, your losing 3 DEX but gaining 7 STR and crit +3%. Also +0.06 fTP 50% of the time (Light / Thunder / Wind / Fire Days). Makes it 6.012 for a 35% fTP favor on 50% of the days, and the other 50% you might want to swap out for the DEX hands. Brings us to 36~37% Crit rate without dDex being involved, and that 8~9% crit damage. Don't know if it would be better to keep the Athos's hands on during the non-alignment days for the 1% crit rate. Actually it would be, with how fSTR2 works it would be another 3.5 fSTR while only losing 1.5 WSC.

    And FFS Lithe Boots! with Athos's body? Use Athos's boots for +10 DEX / AGI (4 DEX gain) and another +1% Crit rate.

    Also you use a 6AGI 6STR back piece for LS set, yet use a 20 R.Attack piece for the JR set, then set Ratio to auto-magically capped. JR should use the +Crit back piece, if that's not available then there is a 4~5 STR / DEX piece somewhere.
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    Last edited by saevel; 06-05-2012 at 08:35 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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