Totally agree, that's why i've supported it 20 other times in this thread.Now, if you get to do 5 WS to 5/5, then you have more flexibility
Rest of it, agreeing to disagree.
Totally agree, that's why i've supported it 20 other times in this thread.Now, if you get to do 5 WS to 5/5, then you have more flexibility
Rest of it, agreeing to disagree.
I know plenty of noobs who started playing with NA's release. Time does not equate skill; purposeful practice builds skill. Regardless, the problem with you is not your opinion but your refusal to be open to others' opinions. For example, I am a specialist as well; I specialize in BLM and SMN. For me, none of these merits matter because I won't be using more than one weapon skill type. However, that said, I can be open to other peoples' concerns. They want their jobs to be maxed out, and as someone who does like the idea of maxing a character's potential out, I agree and approve of their suggestion.
I would be angry if Square Enix said I had to pick two magian staves to maximize. Because I wouldn't want to be treated that way in something that is important to my job, I wouldn't want anyone else to be hindered.
Sometimes we have to do things in the game we don't want to in order to make what we want to do more enjoyable and more accessible. I never wanted to do Dynamis, but I wanted the gear that dropped from it, so I therefore put up with 8 hours a week doing Dynamis. same with a lot of subjobs, because I knew I would use them in the future.
No. With the limits, people have to choose "the best/most common/most expected" weapon skills to have. Without limits, people can get as many of the weapon skills as they want, in the order they want, and feel happy having them. Instead of the answer being, "I don't have X weaponskill because I needed Y for Z job", it can be, "I didn't want to bother getting X weaponskill, so I didn't."
I'm going to help you out buddy, because it seems you're not getting the message here; your constant 'no' response is really pissing people off. They're fed up with it, and you're coming off as an unwanted fool. If I were you I would consider agreeing to disagree and backing out of the conversation.
number of jobs leveled does not equal skill either.I know plenty of noobs who started playing with NA's release. Time does not equate skill; purposeful practice builds skill.
you seem to be refusing to be open to other's opinions as well.Regardless, the problem with you is not your opinion but your refusal to be open to others' opinions.
When you do things you don't want to do, you're not playing a game. You're working. I don't need to level WAR or SAM to make my experience more enjoyable.Sometimes we have to do things in the game we don't want to in order to make what we want to do more enjoyable and more accessible.
I've already done that, so why did you write this post and troll me back into it?If I were you I would consider agreeing to disagree and backing out of the conversation.
I've already agreed with the idea of a limit increase countless times in this thread. Where are you getting this idea that i'm giving a constant "no" response? Several of you seem to really enjoy trolling me. Otherwise you would have noticed my agreement, and the other thread on this topic which I "liked" and supported. Instead, you and others continue to pick a fight with me. We're fussing over details, when the actual issue has already been settled.I'm going to help you out buddy, because it seems you're not getting the message here; your constant 'no' response is really pissing people off.
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Pretty much this. I have 5/5 Res and 5/5 Shoha, I have to demerit Req now to get 5/5 SD. I would love to have Ruin / Upheaval / Req / Exten / Apex / Entropy to play with and be more well rounded but due to the need for maximum damage my three choices are forced.With the limits, people have to choose "the best/most common/most expected" weapon skills to have.
Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....Originally Posted by Raelix
Then those three weaponskills should be toned down so that you could more freely choose between them. Every one of the new weapon skills should be viable for someone wanting "maximum damage." The fact that you can't pick a different one and still be "good" is what's concerning to me. I would like to see the balance improved.
I understand the issue you face- but to me, it's a balance issue more than a merit points issue.
And still... you miss the boat.
Being able to go 5/5 on 5 WS gives YOU specifically more flexibility becasue YOU typically will only require 3 WS to be 5/5 (in the scope of what others expect of your jobs at an event). For those that have a longer list solely because they have a different list, 15 is not enough, and even 25 may not be enough.
The point is, the system should offer enough flexibility to cover the host of jobs the playerbase has in demand. When setups are routinely calling for 6+ specific jobs to be present to do WS in order to run the event efficiently, the system should allow enough flexibility for you to meet the demands of those jobs for each player. Not even raising it to 25 points will cut it so long as the content/playerbase is demanding more flexibility.
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And yet, you're still trolling me...And still... you miss the boat.
What are you talking about? I ALREADY AGREED THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INCREASE IN THE WEAPON SKILL POINT LIMIT. This is not about ME. You have to have misread something somewhere.Being able to go 5/5 on 5 WS gives YOU specifically more flexibility becasue YOU typically will only require 3 WS to be
I ALREADY AGREED THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INCREASE IN THE WEAPON SKILL POINT LIMIT.
I ALREADY AGREED THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INCREASE IN THE WEAPON SKILL POINT LIMIT.
WHY ARE YOU STILL ATTACKING ME WHEN I'M AGREEING WITH YOU? How many more times do I have to repeat it before you stop?
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I have not made any "strawman" arugments. And the fact that you're picking a fight with me when I've already agreed with the thread suggestion for about the last 6 pages tells me that's what you're here for.Because you aren't agreeing with the issue at hand, and have been perpetuating strawman arguments.
Why should it even matter to you WHY I agree with you, as long as I do?
Just stop. There's no point in this. I've already supported the suggestion, I'm not going to convince you of anything else, you're not going to convince me of anything else, just agree to disagree and we can all have a much more pleasant forum experience.
See you later, and have a wonderful evening.
You've droned on and on about specialization, and the importance of not having everyone be just like anyone else. That is NOT what this is about. It's about keeping consistent with the way the merit system has always worked.
Our "specialization," as you are so fond of going back to, has always been limited mostly within the scope of each individual job. WS could have simply followed the same format and been limited in the scope of the job and not the character as a whole. What they have done with this seemingly arbitrary global cap is undermine the entire system buy the simple fact that it forces you to pick (for many) 3 jobs to use, in some cases only two. By your own admission, it forces people to do something they have never done or otherwise would not do--like level another job they never intended, or neglect a job they have spent years building up--simply because of what the playerbase is now demanding in order to be able to participate in content.
If they wanted to place a restriction on the system, it perhaps would have been better to restrict it on a per job basis and not the global cap like they have done. If someone has taken the time to level a job, cap it's skills, obtain the best gear they can reasonably obtain---they should NOT be penalized from unlocking a WS on say THF or DNC because they leveled and unlocked for WAR, SAM, and DRK first. They could have capped it at 5 or 10 points per JOB...but 15 points, 25 points....whatever it may be in the end--as long as it is a global cap, it is simply out of synch to how everything has worked for the past 7 years or so since they first introduced the merit system.
THAT is the problem. It should not be a hard and GLOBAL cap like this. There are far better ways to implement this.
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