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    Player Krashport's Avatar
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    Attacking Monsters with an Avatar While Being AFK.

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/polnews/news21434.shtml
    Updates Apr. 20, 2012 12:50 [PDT] From: FINAL FANTASY XI
    Attacking Monsters with an Avatar While Being AFK

    Recently, we have confirmed an issue wherein players in Grauberg (S) will leave their summoned avatars out while they’re AFK and let the avatars attack monsters by using the auto-counter attack system. Also, we have confirmed that these players have gained experience points and items through this act.

    Not only does this act upset the game balance, it may interrupt the game play of other players. Any players caught performing the act by a Game Master (GM) may see disciplinary action taken against their accounts. Therefore, we ask that you please refrain yourself from performing this act.

    Please be advised that a GM may request assistance from you if they determine that your actions may be causing a disruption in the game balance. If you received instructions from a GM, we ask that you follow them immediately. If you do not follow the instructions, as stated previously, the GM will take action against your account.

    If you encounter a player performing this act, please do not hesitate to report them to the Special Task Force via the URL listed below. The Special Task Force and the GMs will work together to investigate the matter accordingly.

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    Thank you for your cooperation and understanding in this matter.


    I am not with or against it, But if the system allows it, This should not be a problem with balance, also this could totally be taken as harassment on the companies part, now we have to worry about if our pets are out if we plan to AFK in the near future.

    I see people dual boxing without others being at their coms all that time, having them on auto-follow. What makes this any different. Only problem I see, BST, PUP and DRG not having the auto-counter attack system.

    If you gotta go, you gotta go and if having this auto-counter attack system on every pet job would balance things out, we could all totally AFK and take or leave a $#@! in peace, (might get some nomnoms on the way back).
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    Player Midorikaze's Avatar
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    It's part of the game mechanic, but it's forbidden. What? Either have all jobs have access to it or remove it if it's that much of an issue. Also, what if someone does have to take a major emergency poo (or something else unplanned and urgent happens) and there's no time to Dismiss their pet before running AFK only to come back to their character being in jail or something. That wouldn't be fair.

    We may spend a good bit of time on FFXI, but we aren't robots. :\
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    Last edited by Midorikaze; 04-21-2012 at 02:26 PM.

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    This does not make any sense at all.... why is this considered as harassment? Avatar does not have endless HP, it will die, and when it does - you can bet your bottom drawer that the said afk smn will die fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luvbunny View Post
    This does not make any sense at all.... why is this considered as harassment? Avatar does not have endless HP, it will die, and when it does - you can bet your bottom drawer that the said afk smn will die fast.
    SMNs were doing this with Chigos, said mobs will not ever kill your pet before garuda criticals on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duzell View Post
    SMNs were doing this with Chigos, said mobs will not ever kill your pet before garuda criticals on them.
    Garuda will die eventually. If you're really afk you cannot resummon, and most importantly, you cannot cure yourself. If more than one aggro, you're fucked.

    Also, can anyone fill me in on what exactly people were exploiting? Are SE upset that people were getting 2k EXP overnight? Or a stack of Chigoe Blood? What? I have no idea what has been exploited in Grauberg [S] so that people actually profited off of it. The worst I can imagine is people doing trial kills, which is still horribly inefficient. I don't see what's, in any way, shape or form, bad about this.

    I actually do care a bit about this, because I've used this to make pulling easier. This has been especially useful for trials, where you can pull with Dia or even by activating a BP and have the avatar engage the mob automatically. It will be a bit more tiresome to do it manually, and I'm opposed to any trade off of intellectual labor for manual labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    Garuda will die eventually. If you're really afk you cannot resummon, and most importantly, you cannot cure yourself. If more than one aggro, you're fucked.

    Also, can anyone fill me in on what exactly people were exploiting? Are SE upset that people were getting 2k EXP overnight? Or a stack of Chigoe Blood? What? I have no idea what has been exploited in Grauberg [S] so that people actually profited off of it. The worst I can imagine is people doing trial kills, which is still horribly inefficient. I don't see what's, in any way, shape or form, bad about this.

    I actually do care a bit about this, because I've used this to make pulling easier. This has been especially useful for trials, where you can pull with Dia or even by activating a BP and have the avatar engage the mob automatically. It will be a bit more tiresome to do it manually, and I'm opposed to any trade off of intellectual labor for manual labor.
    PPL were doing it to farm wind geodes and Garudites while AFK, due to the frequent wind weather in the zone and ease of killing chigoes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duzell View Post
    PPL were doing it to farm wind geodes and Garudites while AFK, due to the frequent wind weather in the zone and ease of killing chigoes.
    I saw this and thought it was pretty Clever. But it's not like they would go afk and come back to stacks, it would only be afew, SE just doesn't like that they found away to auto play the game, they see it like the old Fishing bots.

    Also i saw it done with carby, Since carby gets Auto-Regen and is free at every lvl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duzell View Post
    PPL were doing it to farm wind geodes and Garudites while AFK, due to the frequent wind weather in the zone and ease of killing chigoes.
    Please don't tell SE about this, but apparently some people are actually going AFK whilst they leech in FC parties, getting exp, cruor, lights, time and the drops from the treasure....


    ...shhh! ;p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duzell View Post
    PPL were doing it to farm wind geodes and Garudites while AFK, due to the frequent wind weather in the zone and ease of killing chigoes.
    The GM's don't care about this either way, no one reports these guys it's not a big deal. There're people farming these zones with 3rd party automated tools already while totally AFK. What makes this horrible is they take action on in game features but, if players are abusing away farming by other means it's totally ignored.

    What is SE jailing these people for when they created the design issue in the first place? It's totally backward thinking on their part. They're punishing players for features that've been in the game since snm was introduced yet, they sit back and ignore everything else. This is just ironic.
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    Last edited by Sarick; 05-02-2012 at 02:34 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    Garuda will die eventually. If you're really afk you cannot resummon, and most importantly, you cannot cure yourself. If more than one aggro, you're fucked.

    Also, can anyone fill me in on what exactly people were exploiting? Are SE upset that people were getting 2k EXP overnight? Or a stack of Chigoe Blood? What? I have no idea what has been exploited in Grauberg [S] so that people actually profited off of it. The worst I can imagine is people doing trial kills, which is still horribly inefficient. I don't see what's, in any way, shape or form, bad about this.

    I actually do care a bit about this, because I've used this to make pulling easier. This has been especially useful for trials, where you can pull with Dia or even by activating a BP and have the avatar engage the mob automatically. It will be a bit more tiresome to do it manually, and I'm opposed to any trade off of intellectual labor for manual labor.
    i think its more of completing AFK magian trials.
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