Voidwatch Final Chapter

[Zerich]

To even suggest not having a WHM in your primary DD parties... that's like suggesting not doing BRD swaps. Procs are not instant, especially if you get WS procs instead of BLM nuke procs / JA procs, there will be times when the NM isn't proced and spamming their aoes of death and woe. When that happens you absolutely want WHMs for Curaga III~IV spam. NMs light off aoe spells, you want Curaga for that.

sounds like you have some gimpy whms and dd's

[saevel]

sounds like you have some gimpy whms and dd's

Yeah so that's the plan huh. Can't argue so you start with unspecified insults.

Scuttle back to your rock.

[Fupafighter]

You gotta remember some people can't get the brd's and cor's that you always seem to have. SOme people would just rather go with 1 brd 1 cor or 2 cor 1 brd usually from my experience than sit in jeuno for 45 waiting for a reply.

[saevel]

For lessors or just clearing wins we constantly go with 1 cor 1 brd setups. Usually 11~12 members, sometimes less.

Those BRDs and CORs didn't magically appear, everyone of our members are required to level and gear at least one support job (I have WHM and RDM). This way we can always get the required jobs from our own ranks and only have to invite the minimum from /sh. I know abyssea might have messed with everyone's heads, but FFXI is and has always been about how much support you can give your melees.

You want at least one PT with

Heavy DD
Heavy DD
Heavy DD
BRD
COR
WHM

If your alliance only has 1 BRD then you can have that BRD rotate between the two DD parties to sing their buffs, other party won't be as buffed but songs are better then no songs. Having a WHM outside the DD parties is dumb, they are there to keep your melee's alive and provide support and their primary means of doing so doesn't work outside of party. Curaga III - IV are godly.

The proc party's, aka mage party, job is to focus on hitting procs, this is why we have at least 2 BLMs (or BLM + RDM / SCH). Dealing damage is a secondary concern but it still something they should be doing (BLU, NIN's possibly RNGs).

[Fupafighter]

I can never understand in my VW shouts why they don't rotate the brd we do have lol. It's not hard. But if I suggest it, I'll get yelled at and called a noob, while I'm usually the groups best DD lol.

[saevel]

Well to be fair, our perma BRD recently got his 99 Daurdabla. Only got 1 WF COR though, and their not always available. Got three members working on WF during their spare time. Got three good WHMs, and each has SCH leveled / geared and typically another job to go with it.

The key is for people to be versatile with multiple jobs that are actually geared and not just aby burned wearing minimal gear. You can then reconfigure your groups based on the event your doing.

[Fupafighter]

You're basing your setups on LS, and then w.e pickups you don't have filled in. We based ours off the idea that our groups are all pickup. Not easy to make great setup groups given the fact that most people that join the shouts aren't willing to wait 2 hours to get that extra brd or cor. They would rather just kill with a mediocre setup.

[saevel]

You're basing your setups on LS, and then w.e pickups you don't have filled in. We based ours off the idea that our groups are all pickup. Not easy to make great setup groups given the fact that most people that join the shouts aren't willing to wait 2 hours to get that extra brd or cor. They would rather just kill with a mediocre setup.

I did plenty of runs prior to the LS reforming. PUG's suck in general, never know if your getting a good player or someone with an Ukon whiffing at 55% accuracy. What you do notice is that the same people tend to form the groups and over time everyone gets to know who the decent / good players are and who the scrubs are.

And your not going to pull wins out of the harder fights with mediocre setups, not without getting lucky on procs anyhow. The T6's (Bismark / Morta included) require a high amount of offensive power to kill before they destroy you. No matter how good / lucky you are at hitting procs, eventually they'll start to become stuff like HV BST Pet / SMN / PUP / DNC / Dark BLM and other things that you might not have covered or even be able to land. Once one HV becomes locked your chances of restoring Fanatics starts to go down and once fanatics is gone it's only a matter of time until the NM kills off all your DD's then starts on the back line. If it's not dead before this happens then it's a wipe. That's why I insist on at least one party being

Heavy DD x 3
COR
BRD
WHM

And to rotate the single BRD if there isn't a second one. The faster you kill it the lower the number of procs you need to hit and the shorter time it's got to do uber moves of death and carnage.