Petition for Summoner Overhaul

[Rydal]

BST also have access to AoE moves (Chapuli and Tiger are popular) and self-skillchain AND Magic burst without having to recharge (Lizard is popular). Avatars can only AoE (effectively) during Astral Flow and can either open or close a skillchain then magic burst after (without Apogee). BST is probably the best cleaving job available right now in terms of pure and easy damage. SMN only gets a huge damage spike like that 1. every 30 seconds and 2. only when SOMEONE ELSE skillchains for them.

[Urmom]

Not sure I'd lizard is a good example.... sure it can blow all it's charges for a self skillchain and mb. It's also not exactly dmg efficient and would probably be less than just one non burst BP. The situations where you'd actually want to do that versus spamming better moves are well I can't actually think of any other than maybe trying to pop nms in vagary. Maybe something that's super strong to physical/weak to magical but need the extra macc from bursting?

Also the tigers move is conal... which is horrible for cleaving. Eft and rabbit are okish for physical AoE but it's really mostly about the cricket. Or just get a blu. Blus having pretty much always been and always will be kings of cleave

[OmnysValefor]

I think it's worthwhile to point out, in regard to the smn vs bst comparison, that it's alright if BST does more damage because:

- SMN is out of range from most aoes, thus safe. If the pet dies, it is not a huge loss. On some fights, it's actually handy having the SMN pet there to take a hit after a hate reset.
- If the pet is enfeebled, the smn can dismiss and re-summon. A bst must reward, and while they can use a cheaper food to do this, it still puts reward on cooldown.
- The pets offer very favorable buffs/debuffs.
- SMNs can cycle different pets throughout the fight. You're hardly going to see bsts deliberately changing pets more than once in a fight (and really, not even once)
- SMN and PUP are pretty much the only jobs in the game unaffected by Double Weakness. BST isn't either, but having to be in close proximity to your pet makes you extremely vulnerable to another death.

No, maybe SMN can't cleave like BST but RUN can't supertank multiples like PLD but niche content is not what the game should be balanced around.