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    Quote Originally Posted by macross View Post
    33%? we're 6/6 so far at lvl 99.
    He splits into three clones with no indication on what is the real ADL and which is the clone. If you pick the clone and kill it then it'll just split again. Chances are by then your 2hr PD has worn off and his AoE's are now killing you.

    So yes, 33% chance of you picking the right clone.
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    Well this might be useless, but hey, why not.

    As it stands right now, ADL a gimmick fight based on luck and based on the use of certain 2-hour abilities (namely Perfect Defense) to ensure the highest rate of success, meaning you can only kill ADL once per dynamis run...twice of all your cors get lucky. Obviously this thread stemmed from the relic upgrade thread(s)...under the basis of manhours required compared to the other two trials, or freedom to work at your own pace...whereas the relic trial you're generally getting one Marrow per group per day, and you have to schedule everyone into a 2 hour window.

    Would it be possible to revise the ADL battle to make it less reliant on Perfect Defense, or reduce some of the luck factors so theres actually a chance of being able to complete multiple ADL's in one run, without relying on wildcard hitting 5 or 6 (which falls under luck factors)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by macross View Post
    33%? we're 6/6 so far at lvl 99.
    You can have 33% Chance to win and still manage to succeed 6/6. The "33%" Chance is derived from the Idea the ADL Can split into 2, And split again at any time.

    Once it splits the first time, you have a 50/50 Chance to chose the right one, You can still kill both though and win, However, if you chose wrong He can split again. Multiple (2/3/4/More?) ADL's can be up at one time.

    The % People are referring too are the luck factor. At 99, You can probably kill 2-4 Clones, But if you choose wrong too often, You're SoL.

    ADL Is a luck based fight, no question. The Clones split with the same HP, However, So a strategy could be to simply Split your DD, Half fight One clone, half fight the other. So when he splits a second time, He's at much lower HP (if you chose wrong)...

    Theres workable strategies, but the fight in itself still comes down to some amount of luck factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    You can have 33% Chance to win and still manage to succeed 6/6. The "33%" Chance is derived from the Idea the ADL Can split into 2, And split again at any time.

    Once it splits the first time, you have a 50/50 Chance to chose the right one, You can still kill both though and win, However, if you chose wrong He can split again. Multiple (2/3/4/More?) ADL's can be up at one time.

    The % People are referring too are the luck factor. At 99, You can probably kill 2-4 Clones, But if you choose wrong too often, You're SoL.

    ADL Is a luck based fight, no question. The Clones split with the same HP, However, So a strategy could be to simply Split your DD, Half fight One clone, half fight the other. So when he splits a second time, He's at much lower HP (if you chose wrong)...

    Theres workable strategies, but the fight in itself still comes down to some amount of luck factor.
    Only issue with that is that ADL has such high offensive power that you won't survive through 2~4 clones. His AoE's can do 1~2k damage to everyone, including mages. They can inflict multiple status ailments, he also can cast cheap spells like Breakga. Since his clones have the same offensive power as he does, fighting two at once will mean twice as many AoE's. Two oblivion smash's or an Oblivion Smash coupled with an Implosion or -ga and you wipe. Your best chance is to guess on one and focus everything you have to kill it as quick as possible and hopefully minimize those crazy AoE's. If you chose the wrong one, then he'll split again. If you brought a second SMN then you have a 2nd chance with another PD zerg (assuming your DD's didn't get whacked). Otherwise he'll just wipe you.
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    Where is the balance in this - PW can be 6 manned with no probs by people with decent experience.
    (Please - if you're going to ask "how you deal with fulm spam, GoH, gas" etc etc - you have a few years ahead of you before you can enter this convo)

    ADL, regardless of skill, is all about luck.
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    First post back after a family incident and it's about sh*t SE did wrong. Feels like normal.

    3 PW drops are required. PW was designed to be difficult for a group of 75's. That was 24 levels ago, PW is a joke now. You can easily farm up a PW set in a few hours and take him down with a group of 6 99's, and you can fight as many as you want to farm.

    Now look at the relic trial:

    5 ADL drops are required. ADL was designed to be a challenging fight with the new level caps in mind. ADL is currently the most difficult fight in the entire game. You have to team up with many others and everyone is chasing the item. You have to gather several trigger items to pop him, but the trigger items can only be farmed in dynamis, which means it cuts down on the time you can fight him. You get 2 hours every 24 hours to farm triggers/fight ADL. How is this fair or "balanced"?

    SE is like the fox news of game design atm.
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    6-12 months from now, Arch Dynamis Lord is going to fall in with Pandemonium Warden, Absolute Virtue, Vrtra, and all the other NMs that were once thought to be crazy difficult and nearly impossible. People will kill it on a daily basis, players will attach "lol" to it's name, and talk about what a joke it is and complain that SE never adds any challenging content. Just like every time before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarchery View Post
    6-12 months from now, Arch Dynamis Lord is going to fall in with Pandemonium Warden, Absolute Virtue, Vrtra, and all the other NMs that were once thought to be crazy difficult and nearly impossible. People will kill it on a daily basis, players will attach "lol" to it's name, and talk about what a joke it is and complain that SE never adds any challenging content. Just like every time before.
    Thats a bold assumption considering the only reason PW and AV became "lol" is because we gained 24 levels on them.

    Unless We somehow go to level 120, I don't see how ADL is going to become "LOL" when the biggest problem with his fight is the "Dumb luck" Factor of chosing Door A, B, C, D and so forth when he decides to split.

    The only way this could happen is if some way to distinguish which is the real ADL is discovered, then he does become lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    The only way this could happen is if some way to distinguish which is the real ADL is discovered, then he does become lol.
    I'd bet that's what happens. Vrtra and the original Dynamis Lord are probably better examples of my original thesis. They both went from "OMG UNBEATABLE" to "LOL" in the 75 cap days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarchery View Post
    I'd bet that's what happens. Vrtra and the original Dynamis Lord are probably better examples of my original thesis. They both went from "OMG UNBEATABLE" to "LOL" in the 75 cap days.
    Not really...the only way those two fights became lol in the 75 cap days throwing 8 pairs of these at it:



    Otherwise they werent "LOL" fights.
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