Wrong martial arts trait values

[MarkovChain]

I verified it twice with no weapon and then with weapon, so stop being dumb. Ta raksha, byrth conclusion are wrong because level 95 KKK is returning wrong values in the first place. Try to compare the values of level 95 vere then KK, you will get the same. As such the MA from KKK does not affect TP.

[Dfoley]

I verified it twice with no weapon and then with weapon, so stop being dumb. Ta raksha, byrth conclusion are wrong because level 95 KKK is returning wrong values in the first place. Try to compare the values of level 95 vere then KK, you will get the same. As such the MA from KKK does not affect TP.

Just admit that you messed up and accidently had 5 stp on and be done with it.

MA from KKK does affect tp... again not sure where you are getting that. Other than at 99 with 0 stp, you get 4.8 tp a hit, with a 49 dly weapon and -45 dly from KKK you still get 4.8 tp/ hit since the delay is still in the small range where you would expect 4.8 per hit. Because you are basically at 324 dly.

I confirmed last night with store tp, -ma gear, and KKK that 95 KKK is in fact roughly -45 delay, because if it was -50, then with +2 pants and store tp it would have gotten a different tp return.

I will post my results when i get home from work just to prove you wrong if you would like, but I will give you a chance to redo your testing and fix your errors.

no store tp/no weapon
4.8 per hit at 99

no store tp/KKK 95
4.8 per hit at 99, if MA didn't affect tp you would have 5.1 tp/ hit

[Dfoley]

Here I found my data:

no store tp/no weapon
4.8 per hit at 99

no store tp/KKK 95
4.8 per hit at 99,

11 store tp/kkk 95/+2 pants (-55 expected MA)
5.3 tp per hit

If it was -50 for kkk 95 you would have -60 total and expect 5.2 tp per hit, which wasnt the case

[Dfoley]

Completely Naked: No gear at all. Not just un-equipping store tp gear.
4 - 9 - 14 - 19 - 24 - 28 - 33 - 38 - 43 - 48

4.8 tp/hit

Kenkonken + (+2 gloves) + (+2 legs) + rajas ring (11 store tp & - 55 ma)
5 - 10 - 15 - 21 - 26 - 31 - 37 - 42 - 47 -53

5.3 tp/hit

IF KKK didnt affect tp/hit, you would expect 5.4 tp per hit, and if KKK was -50, you would expect 5.2 per hit.

SO

1) I am not an idiot, check your testing
2) KKK DOES affect tp/hit
3) PUP does have MA 5, which IS 320 dly
4) naked tp/hit at 99 is 4.8

[Theytak]

One of the people who tested and confirmed our Martial Arts values here to shut pchan up.

Stupidly Easy 10 hit TP/hit test:

Naked (read: absolutely no gear in any slot, baring main hand for obvious purposes), /blm (done while testing other stuff, being able to warp back and change level speeds it up a lot, but /blm is fine, all that matters is that it's not /mnk and it's not /sam)

Pup: Level 74
- Bare Fist: 380 delay; Equation gives TP/hit as 5.2
[380/2 = 190 (you divide by 2 because the TP is given per fist), ( 5 + ( ( (190-180) * 6.5 ) / 270 ) ) ]
Hit #1: 5 TP
Hit #2: 10 TP
Hit #3: 15 TP
Hit #4: 20 TP
Hit #5: 26 TP
Hit #6: 31 TP
Hit #7: 36 TP
Hit #8: 41 TP
Hit #9: 46 TP
Hit #10: 52 TP (confirms 5.2 TP/hit)

- Hades Sainti (Delay+51): 431 delay; 5.8 TP/hit
[431/2 = 215.5; ( 5 + ( ( ( 215 - 180) * 6.5 ) / 270 ) ) (The decimal from halving the delay is dropped, but it doesn't matter 90% of the time (I kept an example where it shows that it's dropped down below))]
Hit #1: 5 TP
Hit #2: 11 TP
Hit #3: 17 TP
Hit #4: 23 TP
Hit #5: 29 TP
Hit #6: 34 TP
Hit #7: 40 TP
Hit #8: 46 TP
Hit #9: 52 TP
Hit #10: 5.8 TP (confirms 5.8 TP/hit)

Pup 75:
- Bare Fist: 360 delay; 5.0 TP/hit
[360/2 = 180; ( 5 + ( ( ( 180 - 180) * 6.5 ) / 270 ) ) (also note: 180 is the lowest delay for this equation, so at the delays below that are < 180, the equation changes)]
Hit #1: 5 TP
Hit #2: 10 TP
Hit #3: 15 TP
Hit #4: 20 TP
Hit #5: 25 TP
Hit #6: 30 TP
Hit #7: 35 TP
Hit #8: 40 TP
Hit #9: 45 TP
Hit #10: 50 TP (Confirms 5.0 TP/hit)

- Hades Sainti (Delay +51): 411 delay; 5.6 TP/hit
[411/2 = 205.5; ( 5 + ( ( ( 205 - 180) * 6.5 ) / 270 ) )]
Hit #1: 5 TP
Hit #2: 11 TP
Hit #3: 16 TP
Hit #4: 22 TP
Hit #5: 28 TP
Hit #6: 33 TP
Hit #7: 39 TP
Hit #8: 44 TP
Hit #9: 50 TP
Hit #10: 56 TP (Confirms 5.6 TP/hit)

- Kenkonken (75) (Delay+49, MA: Delay -20): 389 delay; 5.3 TP/hit
(Including two delay -> TP calcs to show KKK's apparent and actual delay, but looking at it, I'm not sure how people figured it didn't affect TP/hit...)
[409/2 = 204.5; ( 5 + ( ( ( 204 - 180) * 6.5 ) / 270 ) ) = 5.5 TP/hit]
[389/2 = 194.5; ( 5 + ( ( ( 194 - 180) * 6.5 ) / 270 ) ) = 5.3 TP/hit]
Hit #1: 5 TP
Hit #2: 10 TP
Hit #3: 15 TP
Hit #4: 21 TP
Hit #5: 26 TP
Hit #6: 31 TP
Hit #7: 37 TP
Hit #8: 42 TP
Hit #9: 47 TP
Hit #10: 53 TP (Confirms 5.3 TP/hit)

Pup 85:
Confirmation, only giving the 10th hit because this set just proves that up to level 85, there is no change in TP/hit, and there for no change in martial arts(bgwiki is wrong here, since it says we get it MA4 at 87, but it's actually 86. It's weird, because I remember testing it when the 86-90 cap came out, and I swear we didn't have it at 86... they may have changed it, or I may be remembering wrong, but I don't think so.

- Bare Fist: 360 delay; 5.0 TP/hit
Hit #10: 5 TP
- Hades Sainti (Delay +51): 411 delay; 5.6 TP/hit
Hit #10: 5.6 TP
- Kenkonken (75) (Delay+49, MA: Delay -20): 389 delay; 5.3 TP/hit
Hit #10: 5.3 TP

Pup 86:
- Bare Fist: 340 delay; 4.9 TP/hit
[340/2 = 170 (note: remember, <180 = new equation); ( 5 + ( ( ( 170 - 180 ) * 1.5 ) / 180 ) ]
Hit #1: 4 TP
Hit #2: 9 TP
Hit #3: 14 TP
Hit #4: 19 TP
Hit #5: 24 TP
Hit #6: 29 TP
Hit #7: 34 TP
Hit #8: 39 TP
Hit #9: 44 TP
Hit #10: 49 TP (Confirms 4.9 TP/hit)

- Hades Sainti (Delay +51): 391 delay; 5.3 TP/hit
[391 /2 = ; ( 5 + ( ( ( 195 - 180 ) * 6.5) / 270 ) ]
Hit #1: 5 TP
Hit #2: 10 TP
Hit #3: 15 TP
Hit #4: 21 TP
Hit #5: 26 TP
Hit #6: 31 TP
Hit #7: 37 TP
Hit #8: 42 TP
Hit #9: 47 TP
Hit #10: 53 TP (Confirms 5.3 TP/hit)

- Kenkonken (75) (Delay+49, MA: Delay -20): 369 delay; 5.0~5.1 TP/hit
[369/2 = ; ( 5 + ( ( ( 184.5 - 180 ) * 6.5) / 270 ) = 5.1]
[369/2 = ; ( 5 + ( ( ( 184 - 180 ) * 6.5) / 270 ) = 5.0]
Hit #1: 5 TP
Hit #2: 10 TP
Hit #3: 15 TP
Hit #4: 20 TP
Hit #5: 25 TP
Hit #6: 30 TP
Hit #7: 35 TP
Hit #8: 40 TP
Hit #9: 45 TP
Hit #10: 50 TP (Confirms 5.0 TP/hit, AND that the decimal is dropped, for those who were unsure)

Pup 96: Confirmation again
- Bare Fist: 340 delay; 4.9 TP/hit
Hit #10: 49 TP
- Hades Sainti (Delay +51): 391 delay; 5.3 TP/hit
Hit #10: 53 TP
- Kenkonken (75) (Delay+49, MA: Delay -20): 369 delay 5.0 TP/hit
Hit #10: 50 TP

Pup 97:
- Bare Fist: 320 delay; 4.8 TP/hit
[320/2 = 160; ( 5 + ( ( (160 - 180 ) * 1.5) / 180 ) ]
Hit #1: 4 TP
Hit #2: 9 TP
Hit #3: 14 TP
Hit #4: 19 TP
Hit #5: 24 TP
Hit #6: 28 TP
Hit #7: 33 TP
Hit #8: 38 TP
Hit #9: 43 TP
Hit #10: 48 TP (Confirms 4.8 TP/hit)

- Hades Sainti (Delay +51): 371 delay; 5.1 TP/hit
[371/2 = ; ( 5 + ( ( ( 185 - 180 ) * 6.5) / 270 ) ]
Hit #1: 5 TP
Hit #2: 10 TP
Hit #3: 15 TP
Hit #4: 20 TP
Hit #5: 25 TP
Hit #6: 30 TP
Hit #7: 35 TP
Hit #8: 40 TP
Hit #9: 45 TP
Hit #10: 51 TP (Confirms 5.1 TP/hit)

- Kenkonken (75) (Delay+49, MA: Delay -20): 349 delay; 4.9 TP/hit
[349/2 = 174.5; ( 5 + ( ( ( 174 - 180 ) * 1.5) / 180 ) ]
Hit #1: 4 TP
Hit #2: 9 TP
Hit #3: 14 TP
Hit #4: 19 TP
Hit #5: 24 TP
Hit #6: 29 TP
Hit #7: 34 TP
Hit #8: 39 TP
Hit #9: 44 TP
Hit #10: 49 TP (Confirms 4.9 TP/hit)

Who's the idiot, here, pchan?

[Zhronne]

Theytak marry me <3