Extenarator

[Asymptotic]

It's not even easy to cap attack on EP mobs in Dynamis without Berserk.

[Motenten]

7 Agi is almost guaranteed to give you +6 base damage (5% chance of only giving +5 damage). A fairly solid gear set will put you at about 200 base damage, which means the +6 damage will be worth about 3.0%.

Epona's, on the other hand, will -not- give you its full benefit, since two triple attacks will cap at +3 attacks instead of +4, and is generally devalued based on how much DA/TA you already have. Overall average puts it a very small bit ahead of a Stormsoul if Saber Dance is down, or a similarly very small bit behind a Stormsoul if Saber Dance is up.

Overall, I wouldn't bother with the inventory +1 of a second Stormsoul for this use case. You still want at least one Agi ring to use in place of Rajas, though.


On Houyi vs Justiciar, if you get all 6 points of base damage from the 6 Agi, or you're already capped on fStr, Houyi basically ties with Justiciar. If you don't then Justiciar's is a small bit ahead (a larger difference than the Stormsoul vs Epona comparison).

[doctorugh]

Ok, in reguard to epona's worth, here is a more detailed post.

Ext is a 4 hit (+1 DW) giving essential 5.0 ftp. Excluding the epona's, I have 9 DA in my setup which translates to the first 2 hits giving and average of 5.18 fTP

Eponas give a 3% chance to TA (+0.06), leaving 12% of the remaining 97% for 12 DA (+0.1164)
On the second attack of the WS, There is a 97% chance that the TA did not go off the first round, so its total value is a little less (+0.0582, instead of 0.06), again leaving 12% of the of the remaining 12 DA (+0.1164).
Additionally the 3% TA would become a double attacK (i think) if TA had proc'ed on the first hit (+.0009)

5.3519/5.18 = 3.32%

Basically, if you have eponas and dont feel like spending 1mil for a side (or lower) grade, use it.

[Zhronne]

Messing around with the spreadsheet, tested average Exenterator damage with some combinations of head/body.

~561 attack
1) Ocelohead+1/Toci's => 1359
2) Ocelohead+1/Athos => 1356
3) Cuauhtlihead+1/Athos => 1355
4) Ocelohead+1/Denali => 1339

~654attack (Bison Steak)
1) Ocelohead+1/Athos => 1606
2) Cuauhtlihead+1/Athos => 1601
3) Ocelohead+1/Toci's => 1595
4) Ocelohead+1/Denali => 1583

I found the results surprising, wasn't expecting Toci's to perform that good.
Oh, of course these are the results with my setup, which is far from being optimal.
Here are the details of the rest of my gear:
Main: Lux Pugio
Off: Twilight
Ranged: Thew
Neck: Houyi
Ear1: Brutal
Ear2: Aesir (@low attack this is ok, @higher attack rates even a +2 agi performs better, so goes without saying that +3agi or +4agi should be the winner here under all conditions)
Hands: Charis+2
Ring1: Epona's
Ring2: Solemn
Back: Atheling
Belt: Anguinus
Legs: Tumbler's
Feet: Athos

As far as the spreadsheet goes ALL buffs were turned off except for Haste Samba (which doesn't affect WS damage anyway), 12/12 STR merits, 0/8 Dagger merits.

[Asymptotic]

Zhronne, your conclusions are consistent with our quasi-mathematical analysis here

I was surprised @ Toci too.

Question, what DEF value were you using for the enemy? VS. DC mobs in Dynamis, 654 attack is actually pretty low, I think.

[Zhronne]

I was using the standard "Fodder" option from Motenten's spreadsheet. That's fine for EP mobs, but that's definitely not enough for DC ones indeed.
On EPs I was easily spiking 2,5k, on DCs my damage was like... half of that? Eyeballing of course, haven't parsed or anything but spikes were really small.

[Asymptotic]

About half sounds about right on DCs assuming RCB. Berserk takes care of it for the most part, though.

[Zhronne]

I was using Bison Steak, not RCB, and no Berserk since I was DNC/00 in party with friends. I always go DNC/00 in Dynamis if I'm with a friend. If I have to solo I usually go BST/DNC

[Asymptotic]

I usually go DNC/WAR and WHM/THF. The <1% white proc rate isn't worth the reduced efficiency to me.

[Urat]

Would you say the gear changes at all if you're using something like, say, Dragon Soup? I get one for free every week from my kitchen in my MH so.

Also, what would be best set up for Externator in abyssea? I'm thinking Gnarled horn + omega + apoc?