Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

[Babekeke]

I really doubt that, they needed 2 year+ (or more) to up the droprates of salvage. I have a feeling Voidwatch will stay the same for 2 years or more. Interest in it is allready declining on people for different reasons:
1. Getting no dorps ----> frustration -----> fuck this event
2. Spamed the events ----> got some dorps -----> out of voidstones ----> fuck doing campaign nonstop to spam VW further
3. Got all the things they wanted -----> fuck VW

I go under point 2. While yes I got some nice dorps, i used up all my stones I horded since day 1 VW was introduced.... Doing Campaign everyday to stock on Voiddust is not something I am looking forward :X nor do I have the time for it (in addition to everyday VW spamming). So yeah I'm basicly fucked ._.

Anyone wanting to get an empy to 95/99 will continue to do VW.

[Runespider]

Anyone wanting to get an empy to 95/99 will continue to do VW.

If most players give up on VW due to the stupid mess of a drop system they can't, unless they can solo it. Almost everyone has opted out of upgrading their emps so there aren't enough of them to fill an alliance per server to work together on it.

[Triffle]

The most annoying thing is getting the same item that you already have over and over again. 80+ runs, 16 Houyi's Gorgets and 5 NQ daggers until I finally spotted a pair of Fujin Boots. Then for giggles, the next run gave me another pair.

[detlef]

VW shouts are becoming less and less frequent, and the shouts that do occur have an unfortunately high failure rate. Not failure to obtain drops or even kill. Failure to leave town.

The changes involving capped lights from the start cannot come soon enough. Maybe we'll have to relive the days of job elitism, not that I care about that. But at least we'll be able to cap lights and kill with a smaller group. This will make it much easier to construct a working group for older VW content like cities/Jeuno tier 1/Zilart.

[Meiteron]

Anyone wanting to get an empy to 95/99 will continue to do VW.

Here's the big problem. The systems for Legendaries have always required the collective effort of a server in order to be sustainable, and this has gotten more important for each system. Finishing currency by farming Dynamis is slow. Finishing Alex by farming Salvage is nearly impossible. Finishing Metal/Rift by farming VW is a sick joke.

All three systems basically rely on everyone doing the events required, and pumping the necessary items into the economy, but the demand has to be there in order for this to be successful.

Relics benefit in two ways: it's actually feasible to make progress without buying anything. It's slow, but you can do it. In addition, there are several extremely useful options which people, even now, want to build for personal or LS use. There is constant demand, and even if currency supply and price starts becoming less inviting, you can go grind out your Relic the old fashioned way.

Mythics are just not good enough compared to available options to warrant the effort through utility alone; if you are building one it's probably to have a trophy. Mythics are Claustrums. Unlike Relics, though, they don't have a grinding option to fall back on. You might be able to build a Mythic just by running Salvage over and over but it will take much, much longer than a Relic, and not a lot of people are willing to do that for a trophy. Once we all moved past Salvage gear the supply for Alex vanished and that was basically it for Mythics.

Now Emps are in the same position. Here's a line from the last paragraph with some terms changed: Emp99s are just not good enough compared to available Emp90s to warrant the effort through their utility alone. If you are building one, it's probably to have a trophy. Much like Mythics, you can't grind one out manually. Maybe there are some crazy groups out there running Qilin 24/7 and giving all the pouches to a single player, but they do not represent the playerbase as a whole.

Consider the system Emp99s are built around. Is any individual honestly doing VW to make Emp99s? No. If you want a 95 you are buying it, or so much of it as to make the manual effort negligible. Players are already getting tired of these VW fights, and of fighting the system to get progress and enjoyment out of it. We have this entire topic complaining about drop rates. Stats on Legion and Nyzul gear are available and you better believe lots of people are chomping at the bit to abandon this system and move onto better things. A portion of my LS have not even started VW, they have ignored the entire system. 6 months of content ignored. I bet lots of people here know friends like that.

When it happens the majority of the playerbase are going to ignore Emps past 90, and this frustrates me. It frustrates me because it is all wasted effort, effort that has already been wasted on an entire system of Mythics which the smallest fraction of people use and are currently impossible to build. What really staggers me is how the system in Abyssea was so effective, and the Devs decided to change the progress path so abruptly to a system which they should know, from experience, doesn't work.

[Babekeke]

It's simple supply and demand. If noone does VW any more, and the empy holders can't solo it, or get enough ppl together to farm their own, they'll get desperate and offer more and more gil for the items. The higher the price is driven, the more likely people are to do VW since they might get a riftdross/HMP which they can sell for say 1 mil because that's what 1 idiot was offering. Lots of people then jump on the bandwagon trying to get these items to sell for 1 mil and then all of a sudden they have competition to sell them so the price falls again.

Swings and roundabouts, but people aren't going to just give up on VW completely, it'll just slow down.

On Phoenix already I find a lot of the VW shouts as they get full are just shouting for R/M/E DDs. They already just get zerged down even before the capped lights when you start >.>

[Ravenmore]

It's simple supply and demand. If noone does VW any more, and the empy holders can't solo it, or get enough ppl together to farm their own, they'll get desperate and offer more and more gil for the items. The higher the price is driven, the more likely people are to do VW since they might get a riftdross/HMP which they can sell for say 1 mil because that's what 1 idiot was offering. Lots of people then jump on the bandwagon trying to get these items to sell for 1 mil and then all of a sudden they have competition to sell them so the price falls again.

Swings and roundabouts, but people aren't going to just give up on VW completely, it'll just slow down.

On Phoenix already I find a lot of the VW shouts as they get full are just shouting for R/M/E DDs. They already just get zerged down even before the capped lights when you start >.>

No they start shouting like that and after 2 to 3 hours they start saying strong DDs. I watch one go the other day for a hour and a half at 17/18 its good stuff. Better yet look at WoEs there is gear from there that could go for mils and no one does it either. Only people in there most of the time outside of JP prime is afk JPs.

[Aequis]

Has there been any official word on whether they're looking at the Voidwatch loot distribution system, or even some recognition of the problem?

Since my one Comet scroll, I have gone about 0/84 on anything outside of synthesis mats using three Rubicund cells each time. It's actually starting to make me resent this game. I'm stuck in that place where I want to do Voidwatch to progress up the tiers (with a tiny, tiny hope of getting something from it) and on the other hand, I don't want to go anywhere near it because of how it makes me feel.

It's soul-destroying to walk up to that chest each time and check it, knowing before the list pops up that you have nothing again. Some runs I've been on people have hardly spoken because they're so sick and tired of doing this event, and they've gone far longer than I have without a drop.

Something needs to be done about it - for the general sanity of the playerbase if nothing else.

[Dreamin]

VW and WoE - destroying the spirits of the playerbase since 2011!

That's how each of these 2 failed events has felt to me. VW more so than WoE.

[Camate]

Howdy!

I bring some news regarding the Voidwatch loot system, which I think you all will appreciate quite a bit.

The development team has been well aware of all of your frustrations when you friend hears you receive an item that they have been after for some time, but you are unable to pass it to them and have no choice but to toss it.

They have been looking into adjustments to the reward system extremely carefully to preserve the benefit of each person receiving a personal reward when participating, instead of having to lot against others. As a result, they are thinking about implementing the below type of system.

• In the event that a rare/ex item drops to you when you already possess the item, it will be possible to exchange that item for a ticket (name pending)
• Once you obtain a certain amount of these tickets, it will be possible to exchange them for their respective rare/ex item. (*edited at 3PM 2/2/2012)
  *There will be different types of tickets for different items and you will need to collect the respective ticket for the item you would like.
  *The required number of tickets is still being looked into and there is a possibility of change, but currently we estimate it to be about 5~6.
• Tickets will be tradable and sellable.

The development team feels that this will not destroy the meaning of having personal rewards, and though the drop rate balance will not be changed, even if you continue to have bad luck obtaining the item you wish, by collecting the tickets from your friends you will eventually be able to obtain the item.

Since there are a lot of rewards items, meaning a large amount of tickets to be created, we will start off by looking into implementing the hard to get items first. Please understand that it will take some time before this is all implemented.