Stop Player Bashing

[Naturebeckles]

Raenryong's awesome guide to not sucking at THF:

TP in TP gear
SA in SA gear
TA in TA gear
WS in WS gear
Evade in Eva gear

I should put this stuff on the wiki.

You should go do that right now.

[Nepharite]

don't forget the troll gear, aka aurore

[Dale]

I've seen several post already where someone has posted something (a suggestion) and a more Skilled player has decided it was a good idea to bash the player for his/her inabilities.

This forum was started for general game discussions/suggestions. Not meant to demean a player for his/her thoughts. You either agree with them or you don't. No need to make yourself feel big because you can do something another player can't by telling them how pathetic they are.

I really don't think SE started this site to read about how good you are and see how much you rub it in to those who can't. I'm pretty sure they started this site so people can give they're suggestions to things they think need to be changed. Idea to improve game play. Pass on your knowledge and skill to inexperienced players. Not constantly bash them.

So please. Keep it polite. Try to stay on topic. If you agree, but want to add something to the idea to make it better, do so. If you disagree with it, disagree and explain why the CHANGE wouldn't increase game play, but keep it civil to other players and stop bashing them b/c they are having difficulties with something.

lol
Good luck Amerylyn if your goal is to create civility on an internet forum. You have your work cut out for you. They don't even do that in congress, really doubt it's gong to be done here.

[RaenRyong]

What about snapshot gear, town gear, and flee gear? Your guide sucks for lacking those!

Whoa, leave those for the elitists. I play to have fun.

[Sp1cyryan]

don't forget the troll gear, aka aurore

I see THFs still mainhanding THFs knife (or TP in it for that matter) and using full Dragon Harness set/O hat.

Aurore is lazy troll gear.

[Darka]

To Great Guardian... I'm not sure why it's not obvious why the Aurore is better for thf. Dex and Agi is best base stats for thf for acc, evasion, trick attack, etc. So... I'm surprised that you actually asked me to explain that.

I'll bite

It's 4DEX/AGI and 4Haste vs 5% Haste, or 6% should you acquire +2 Raider's.

I'll start with evasion, my naked THF can get a pretty high evade rate on any non NM mob, evasion rate caps at 80%. AGI also helps with Trick Attack, though you should be using +AGI in a Trick attack macro, not full time.
Same applies to the DEX, same enhancement but for Sneak attack only. It also adds +crit rate until dDEX is capped, which is likely to be so with cruor buffs and RR Atma. It also offers +2 accuracy. Even if you need +2 accuracy, it won't beat the loss of Haste from Turban.

Assuming Turban put you up to 25%, moving from 24% to 25% would be

25/75*100 is a 1.8% increase in your DPS.

So it's not specifically as good a choice as you think it to be, so it would be room for criticism.

oh, well I thought somebody did...

anyway, you're telling me that dusk gloves with hp +20, attack +5 and haste +3% is better than the aurore gloves with str +4, agi +4 and haste +2% even though when I trick attack somebody wearing the aurore gloves will give me more damage?

Yes, remember, each point of AGI raises your weapon's DMG by 1, but keep in mind Trick attack is a 1minute recast ability without merits, your regular DPS will by far contain the higher ratio of DMG. That said, you could just gear swap between the two to maximise.

[RAIST]

uggh..more Haste debates.

Here's something to chew on. At @200 delay, you only need about 5.5% haste to gain one extra swing per minute--so stacking in increments around 6% on a job like THF or DNC provides a substantial benefit. Not only is that increasing your DoT while TP'ing, it gets you to 100TP faster, which again increases your DoT b/c you can WS more often. As long as you can keep your ACC high enough and swap to maximize your abilities/WS consistency, Haste is a BIG boost to your DoT. There is no denying the math, and 6% (or another tier of it) can easily be done with just 1 or 2 pieces post 78 for any melee job.

And don't start that whole blinking and curing thing again. That horse has been beat to death about as much as this haste debate. It's all about setting up your macros right. Even if you didn't know about <stpt> and <stal>, <stpc> was still better then using <t> in macros. I used <stpc> for years and didn't have much issue curing people with gear swaps.

Raist

[bishop]

Macros, they're so complicated!

[Arcon]

There is a reason these forums are being openly mocked from every corner of the web on FFXI sites.

Ironic, seeing how they're all just as bad. BG is completely worthless for finding any kind of useless information (and their wiki is even worse), 'cause you have to sift through 500 pages of garbage, people being stupid, insulting, trolling and just random without any kind of actual contribution to the topic to just find one remotely useful sentence. Which also explains why they mock this official forum, 'cause it's a gathering place for all narcissistic elitists who believe they're better than anyone else and have to mock other people (whether they're right or wrong) to feel better about themselves.

FFXIAH is still ok imo, although many people there don't bother as much with ingame details as they do on BG. It still has its fair share of trolls and unhelpful elitists, which makes it very unfriendly for new people to join in.

KI was dead last time I checked, ZAM I hear isn't far from it, but I haven't been around much on either to make a statement I won't regret later. But from what I heard the situation isn't much better.

The difference between these forums and others out there is simply that this is official, which makes it attractive to people who previously didn't bother. And yes, while it does encourage some people to let their lame ideas surface, who otherwise wouldn't even dare to post, it also encourages people who are afraid of getting bashed on other forums, by the aforementioned elitist crowd, to present their smart ideas. And contrary to what people have mentioned here, there definitely are good ideas here, which the devs should not overlook. Every job forum I've checked so far has had at least one good, well thought-out idea for that particular job, and these general/mission/battle forums also had several good ideas each. There were lots of good ideas which SE would otherwise completely overlook, which is why I think bashing people on here is such a shame. Finally there's an outlet for useful ideas, where people can contribute something great to the game, something that would improve gameplay for everyone, and then those people get discouraged 'cause they see others getting thrashed, insulted and completely talked down for voicing their opinion.

Yes, there's some pretty bad ideas in here. You see it best in the job forums, where people suggest things to upgrade their favorite job for no particular reason. But those threads and posts will be forgotten quickly. What sticks around are things people care about, things people find worth discussing and implementing.

These forums have a potential of reaching higher than BG, AH, KI, ZAM and any others ever could. And people who spend their belittling these forums are one of the main things that's wrong with it, because those are usually the people that don't take people seriously or talk down on their ideas, or even the people themselves, because they don't realise that potential.

Also, can we please stop with the haste/gear debate? At least 80% of this thread is off-topic because of it.

[Cream_Soda]

Ironic, seeing how they're all just as bad. BG is completely worthless for finding any kind of useless information (and their wiki is even worse), 'cause you have to sift through 500 pages of garbage, people being stupid, insulting, trolling and just random without any kind of actual contribution to the topic to just find one remotely useful sentence.

100% wrong. Isladar mops up that shit with the quickness.

Now if you're talking about general discussion, spam, or media, yea, you'll find all the trolling in the world. In the advanced section, you'll find more useful ffxi info there than you will on any other site.