New Monk Weapon skills

[Monchat]

So we have access to three new weaponskills on the test server: Hand-to-hand, club and staff. I played a few with them. They are obtainable with 10 merits after doing the last genkai quest. Each merit upgrades damage. Can merit a maximum of three weaponskills to the max, or 15 weaponskills at level 1. Upgrading one WS to lv5 costs 100 merit points.

(english version is buggy, so I used french version so I dont have the names):

-hand-to hand: 5 fold attack with add plague effect. Help text says DEX modified, but help message on the weaponskill says plague varies with TP so it should not be crit weaponskill. Did a few tries on EP bunny @ vollbow outpost with veretragan 95 and spharai 95, with TP gear:

veretragna: asuranfists 1400~1600, victory smite 1800~2000, NewWS= 1800~2000

spharai: asuran ~1700 NewWS~2200.

Ok the new H2H WS is not crap at all. Looks comparable to Victory smite, so spharai 99 + NewWS should be = to empy 99 with victory smite. Of course there is goign to be a lot of comparison in the next days once Modfifiers are known and WS gear sets are optimized.

Also I did 1.5k damage with the staff ws (earth staff), and the club WS is a 7 hit one, I did 1k dmg with a DMG1 club lol.

[MarkovChain]

Anyone else thinks denali body +5 is overpowered ?

Denali Set +5 - Set Bonus Sometimes deals big damage:

Denali Bonnet +5 - DEF34 STR+6 AGI+14 Ratk+6 Macc+6 Mab+6 Crit+4% Setbonus
Denali Jacket +5 - DEF63 ACC+12 Haste+4 Doubleattack +3% Trippleattack+3% Quadrupleattack+3% Setbonus
Denali Wristbands +5 - DEF28 DEX+8 VIT+8 AGI+8 ACC+10 EVA+10 EnhancesFastcast (4%) Haste+4 Setbonus
Denali Kecks +5 - DEF47 STR+9 AGI +9 ATK+14 EVA+14 Haste+6 Setbonus
Denali Gamashes +5 - DEF26 DEX+10 AGI+10 MND+10 ATK+16 Ratk+10 DoubleAttack+3% Setbonus

1+3*0.03+(1-0.03)[ 2*0.03+ (1-0.03)*0.03 ]=1.176

works more or less like double attack +17.6% starting from zero

and with /war brutal epona atheling it acts as double attack + 13% more or less aka beats anything in the game including AF3+2 body during impetus probably. It's all the greater that level 99 vere will make it even easier to cap fstr. Also allows less haste in other slots.

[Greatguardian]

I think it's pretty neat, but if they're unlocking Floors 101-500 I doubt it'll be "easy" to casually obtain.

My money's on each 20th floor repeating the same armor slot as the first 100, with Floor 120 dropping Feet+1, and so on, with new HNM tiers every 50 floors. So, you'd need to climb to floor 480 and spam the level 99 boss there in order to get Jacket+5.

Hell, if they're feeling really mean, they may even make the bosses drop items used to upgrade the pieces rather than the upgrades pieces themselves.

Edit: Actually, this seems off, since they'd need 600 floors to do that. Maybe floors 20-100 are getting a revamp and drop the +1s? Then 120-200 drop the +2s, etc.

[Monchat]

I didn't think I'd ever say that Nyzlul and denalol would be good for monk... Maybe I'll go farm the pieces I don't have. I have the hands, and I think I had the Body for THF, maybe tossed it. Can't wait for salvage upgrades.

[MarkovChain]

sounds more fun than voidwatch.

On that note the new head/body will be great for the new H2H WS.
Optimal gear in other slots would be ZNM hands, byakko, denali feet +5, plus various easy to obtain gear in other slots for +90 dex.

I ran some numbers assuming the dex mod is 100% using 1.0 ftp on the first hit.
With level 99 spharai and that new WS
5*(0.11*432+3+52+13+0.85*175)*1.98=2616.2730
With level 99 vere and that new WS
5.25*(0.11*432+3+42+12+0.85*0.6*190)*(0.6*1.980000000+0.4*2.980000000)=2516.742900

I assumed a mob with 460 def, that you have 900 attack, and that VS averages to be 40% crit rate globally between impetus up/down. With ftp=1.0 and good gear it's already better than VS but only if you got spharai maxed.

[Motenten]

veretragna: asuranfists 1400~1600, victory smite 1800~2000, NewWS= 1800~2000

spharai: asuran ~1700 NewWS~2200.

Did you do those tests with the weaponskills just unlocked (1 merit) or fully upgraded (5 merits)?

Given that the damage is on par with VS, I'm going to guess 5 merits. Can you try a few more with just 1 merit to see how much of an upgrade it is to max them out?

[FrankReynolds]

I think it's pretty neat, but if they're unlocking Floors 101-500 I doubt it'll be "easy" to casually obtain.

My money's on each 20th floor repeating the same armor slot as the first 100, with Floor 120 dropping Feet+1, and so on, with new HNM tiers every 50 floors. So, you'd need to climb to floor 480 and spam the level 99 boss there in order to get Jacket+5.

Hell, if they're feeling really mean, they may even make the bosses drop items used to upgrade the pieces rather than the upgrades pieces themselves.

Edit: Actually, this seems off, since they'd need 600 floors to do that. Maybe floors 20-100 are getting a revamp and drop the +1s? Then 120-200 drop the +2s, etc.

I would guess that they are gonna make 1-100 drop +1 item, so that people who have them completed have a reason to go back and do them with people that don't.

[Monchat]

Did you do those tests with the weaponskills just unlocked (1 merit) or fully upgraded (5 merits)?

Given that the damage is on par with VS, I'm going to guess 5 merits. Can you try a few more with just 1 merit to see how much of an upgrade it is to max them out?

Its with level 5 merit. Here is more numbers on lv -1 mandy/rabbits/bees outside of windurst:

H2H skill=447
STR133 DEX107 AGI86 VIT101 INT77 MND77 CHR71
MNK99/THF49.
Sneak attack+ Shiijin fist with TP slightly above 100 ( assuming its not damage vairies with TP)
Weapon: spharai 95 (D48).

This gives 113 base damage; confirmed since the max crit I got: 355.

Numbers:
636
639
625
635
635
628
655
624
647
659
622
676
637
619

Maximum of 676 so far. It doesnt work with 100% mods hypothesis so far since

(113+107*0.85)*3.15=642.

So either the first hit's fTP is higher, or something else is a mod, or dmage varies with TP since some got done with more than 100tp.

[Greatguardian]

I don't see any confirmation that the first hit fTP is 1.0 anyways. As far as I know, that's just an assumption for simplicity in Pchan's math.

[MarkovChain]

The description says that duration of plague varies with TP. Those numbers tell us it's superior to what I mathed above, most likely higher ftp which is good as far as multi attack gear goes. Just need different dex or skill values now and do a linear approx.

Or it could mean the 0.85 is no longer valid.