[dev1042] Regen V

[Jile]

SE, You're kidding right? SCH gets Regen V and WHM doesn't?

I'm sure this will be fixed and giving lvl95 WHM Regen V before this goes live but
how could you not see career WHM's not getting upset by this? lol

[Glacont]

This maybe thier way as a trade off for not awarding Scholars Cure V.

[Economizer]

Mellow. Regen sucks for White Mages - our merit and gear options don't boost it enough, and White Mages don't get anything like Composure or Light Arts boosts to make the spell not gimp.

Regen isn't MP efficient for White Mages, and until they decided to boost it for Scholars, the cast time was terrible. In fact, I'm more upset that SE didn't fix the cast time on Regen spells back when Red Mage was roflstomping White Mage as a healer because of White Mage's massive MP issues back when Regen was MP efficient, years ago.

With the changes, Scholars are also getting all Regen spells before White Mage as well, the cast times are going to be reasonable, and Scholars will have it boosted under Light Arts. While Regen V would be nice just because it is always cool to have a higher tier, it won't kill us not to have it.

If you must, campaign for it, but I'm more hopeful that the pending cure formula changes will fix all cures more or less.

[hideka]

This maybe thier way as a trade off for not awarding Scholars Cure V.

this is exactly what they had in mind. they want SCH to be a purely supporting mage.

[SpankWustler]

White Mage is currently awesome at casting Cure spells. White Mage can cap or nearly Cure casting time reduction using very obtainable equipment, caps Cure Potency very easily, can add a brief Stoneskin with it's Cure spells, and gets amazing MP efficiency from cures using Orison Pantaloons +2. Depending on the change to Cure formulas that is coming eventually, White Mage may be even more awesome at Cure spells in the future.

All of this makes the Regen line very situational for a fully equipped White Mage. They'll become less situational with the casting time adjustments coming, but still not comparable to their usefulness at 75.

The plan of the Development Bros is to make Scholar awesome at casting Regen spells. With main-job tools like Perpetuance and Ascension and extremely less impressive Cures, Scholar is in a much better position to take advantage of Regen spells. Basically, they're trying to make something that's become a very minor part of White Mage into a major part of Scholar.

You'd have some grounds to complain if the Regen spells were still used by White Mage for superior MP efficiency, as they were at 75 in merit parties and dynamis and such, but that's no longer the case.

[Alhanelem]

SCH learns the regen spells earlier than WHM already. It makes perfect sense for them to get a higher tier one, especially considering that they are the masters of Damage Over Time in black magic, they may as well be the masters of Heal Over Time in white magic.

[Neisan_Quetz]

More like SE retcon'd Sch into learning regens sooner but yeah. (Regen 3 is still 66WHM/83 Sch on main server last I checked)

[Insaniac]

how could you not see career WHM's not getting upset by this? lol

WHM is better at every single other facet of curing and will still be the only viable option for main healing almost everything. There's nothing to be mad about.

[Mirage]

I play WHM quite a bit and I have no problems with SCH getting stronger regen spells than we do.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

More like SE retcon'd Sch into learning regens sooner but yeah. (Regen 3 is still 66WHM/83 Sch on main server last I checked)

On Test Server with the new spell format it's:

Regen - Gradually restores target's HP.
MP Cost: 15 Casting Time: 1.5 Recast Delay: 12.0
Target: Party Member/Self / Type: White / Element: Light / Skill: Enhancing Magic
Jobs: WHM21 RDM21 SCH18

Regen II - Gradually restores target's HP.
MP Cost: 36 Casting Time: 1.75 Recast Delay: 16.0
Target: Party Member/Self / Type: White / Element: Light / Skill: Enhancing Magic
Jobs: WHM44 RDM76 SCH37

Regen III - Gradually restores target's HP.
MP Cost: 64 Casting Time: 2.0 Recast Delay: 20.0
Target: Party Member/Self / Type: White / Element: Light / Skill: Enhancing Magic
Jobs: WHM66 SCH59

Regen IV - Gradually restores target's HP.
MP Cost: 82 Casting Time: 2.25 Recast Delay: 24.0
Target: Party Member/Self / Type: White / Element: Light / Skill: Enhancing Magic
Jobs: WHM86 SCH79

Regen V - Gradually restores target's HP.
MP Cost: 100 Casting Time: 2.5 Recast Delay: 28.0
Target: Party Member/Self / Type: White / Element: Light / Skill: Enhancing Magic
Jobs: SCH99

Which is much more in line with SCH's original format of getting them first, and lets not use the argument WHM was out first...