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  1. #31
    Player Dart's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fupafighter View Post
    Damn your right lol. Duo'ed DC and it went fantastic(except tigers linking like mad) Averaged about 85 per cycle.
    yup its sort of the not so secret secret. My group does around 600 coins a run with 35-50 touches which we also sell.
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  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    They can drop 4 coins on nightmare mobs, one is 100% the other 3 are independant.

    If p is the probablility for one coin to drop for any slot then you easily get that

    proba of 1 coin is : 3*p^2-p^3+1-3*p
    proba of 2 coins is : -6*p^2+3*p^3+3*p
    proba of 3 coins is : -3*p^3+3*p^2
    proba of 4 coins is : p^3
    average : 3*p+1

    This matches the data with p~=0.64

    Data

    Em & tough raptors in Qufim
    Treasure hunter 6



    When mixing all 3 mobs you get



    All value match for p ~ 0.64-0.65
    Secondly the drop table of each mob matches for this value.

    5-coin drops not included? What was your sample size?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler View Post
    The Developer smiled and replied, "During the worst times, I was riding on your back and whipping you with a stick and laughing."
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    [...]-Dipper Yuly, Faithful Falcorr
    ※These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger.
    Quote Originally Posted by Okipuit View Post
    [...] There was no promise to create gear that would counter the reduction of treasure hunter on beastmaster pets Dipper Yuly and Faithful Falcorr.

  3. #33
    Player Monchat's Avatar
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    nightmare mobs. well didnt know beastmen could drop 5 there lol. Ive never seen 5 coins on nightmares, but I also saw zero drops on beastmen with procs.
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  4. #34
    Player MarkovChain's Avatar
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    or : read the OP. This sample is on nightmaremobs.
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    Actually, some nightmare mobs can also drop up to 5. I'm fairly sure Nightmare Leeches in Dynamis - Tav can drop up to 5 Shells, though I don't have a screenshot of it. I did Dynamis Tav nightly for months.
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    Player MarkovChain's Avatar
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    I've never seen it in qufim, and we farmed 2x99 empy. I did tavnazia a few time and I don't remember much beside the camps being too small anyway. I have seen 5-drops on beastmen in qufim though.

    Also the model in the OP doesn't allow 5 drops, nor the data. 24% chance at 4 coins, so there should be some decent chance at 5 coins if it was possible.
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    Last edited by MarkovChain; 03-08-2012 at 08:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    or : read the OP. This sample is on nightmaremobs.
    My screenie I quoted is few months old, it was the first time it happened, we were in Dyna-Valk. I didn't bother making new screenies since then, but it's not uncommon for me, but then, I go as real THF. Actually I started off todays Dyna-Tav with 5 coins off leeches (nice coincidence Byrth, haha). I'll take a fresh screenie just for you next time. Should'nt take a month.
    Also, what was your sample size?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler View Post
    The Developer smiled and replied, "During the worst times, I was riding on your back and whipping you with a stick and laughing."
    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    [...]-Dipper Yuly, Faithful Falcorr
    ※These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger.
    Quote Originally Posted by Okipuit View Post
    [...] There was no promise to create gear that would counter the reduction of treasure hunter on beastmaster pets Dipper Yuly and Faithful Falcorr.

  8. #38
    Player MarkovChain's Avatar
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    everything is in the OP.
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  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zirael View Post
    My screenie I quoted is few months old, it was the first time it happened, we were in Dyna-Valk. I didn't bother making new screenies since then, but it's not uncommon for me, but then, I go as real THF. Actually I started off todays Dyna-Tav with 5 coins off leeches (nice coincidence Byrth, haha). I'll take a fresh screenie just for you next time. Should'nt take a month.
    Also, what was your sample size?
    From today's Dyna-Tav:



    I made screenshots of five occurrences of 5x drop, all from nightmare Cluster, as that's what I was mostly killing today. Might've been more, I wasn't paying attention to log all of the time. All monsters defeated with TH6/TH7.
    So does your formula apply only to Dyna-Valk/Quf/Bubu and only to nightmare animals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler View Post
    The Developer smiled and replied, "During the worst times, I was riding on your back and whipping you with a stick and laughing."
    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    [...]-Dipper Yuly, Faithful Falcorr
    ※These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger.
    Quote Originally Posted by Okipuit View Post
    [...] There was no promise to create gear that would counter the reduction of treasure hunter on beastmaster pets Dipper Yuly and Faithful Falcorr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dart View Post
    yup its sort of the not so secret secret. My group does around 600 coins a run with 35-50 touches which we also sell.
    Only if there's no solo bst or dnc or ninja or whatever slowly soloing them screwing up the repops.
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