What have become of the RDMs.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Blu and blm can survive multiple mobs hitting them at once. Both jobs easily out nuke or out DPS rdm, your blu/blms must not be very good I'm sorry to say. Charged Whisker/Thermal Pulse Etc. easily compare to AE, blm can simply drop aga/aja spells.

[Protey]

outnuke, yes (unless you're counting us using 2 hour, then nothing can compare), outDPS (melee)... no. BLM melee sux. RDM can pull slightly ahead of BLU if you can offhand a KC, but in the absence of that, RDM and BLU are going to be tied with both going Almace/OA2-4, with 15% magic haste and 25% equip haste.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Solo blm only needs to melee long enough for pearl kill so don't see how that matters? Aside from enspells which don't add much to overall damage inside Abyssea (KC notwithstanding) Blu easily has superior melee and WS gear over Rdm, don't see how you're calling it tied. Both jobs can outnuke Rdm inside if so inclined.

[Protey]

what is this superior gear you speak of over RDM, the only piece i'm aware of is epona's ring.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Empyrean Armor, Homam, Loki's, Twilight Belt, Alcide's Set, Ocelot. Not to mention higher skill, settable DD traits, Ease of capping haste as well. haven't seen up to date Blu lately so hammering out set versus best Rdm can do which I already have calculated to see just how disparaging the difference is.

[Protey]

if you look at the blu gear you listed... it's mostly acc based... since when is acc a problem. Twilight Belt... well 2% DA i will give you that. Like i said, both get 25% equipment haste. So BLU will pull slightly ahead with the higher skill, epona's, and twilight, unless the rdm can offhand a KC.

[Neisan_Quetz]

What? Head and Legs also give str/skill, and Accuracy isn't as autocapped as you might think in abyssea, attack certainly isn't. Blu is handily beating Rdm in both of these fields before gear, which blu has the advantage in. Rdm either requires ASA legs to cap haste, or +1 Dusk in addition to Vbelt/lolninurta's with Nash legs.

[Supersun]

I know abyssea tends to give a lot of accuracy, but we still only have a D in club. I really can't see how the misses and DPS (KC averages at under 10 DPS) loss from the offhand swings using a KC will beat a Joy or a Khanda.

[Protey]

you're forgetting atma of the omnipotent, not only does it make capping equipment haste easy, it also gives a great boost to Chant du Cygne damage

[Protey]

I know abyssea tends to give a lot of accuracy, but we still only have a D in club. I really can't see how the misses and DPS (KC averages at under 10 DPS) loss from the offhand swings using a KC will beat a Joy or a Khanda.

280 skill for rdm. add in some acc food. you're not going to be missing much with the acc gear stacked on top. and if you add in club merits, even more so. Also don't forget all the DEX boost adding acc from cruor/atma.