SE's stance on Cure V

[Daniel_Hatcher]

It appears you don't know what it takes to be a Dev for any game. The way people complain, yall expect developers to just jump on it and be able to do it instantly sometimes. Well they are right, in the case that theres a reason why WHM is the only job with Cure V, or VI. Its main purpose is healing. RDM is enfeebling, SCH is enhancing and buffs. simple as that. Accept it and move on. I mean hell, many people want PLD to have Cure V and Shell V (myself included), but for the same reasons, there is a purpose in not having PLD accessible to these. Accept your roles, adapt accordingly, and rediscover what the jobs are for.

You ever played as RDM or SCH? I'm thinking not.

RDM's best enfeebles are merits, like someone said before that's the equivalent of giving WHM upto Cure IV and then making Cure V a merit spell. Every other enfeeble RDM has is given to loads of other jobs the only exception being Gravity which in itself is useless.

SCH is NOT a buffer, the only real buffs it gains is from subjobs or it's 2-hour that does NOT make SCH a buffer.

Then we go onto WHM then shall we. It's only a "healer" in what world is it only a healer. It has better enhancing magic that the job with the highest enhancing, and better magic than your so called Enhancer SCH, it has access to EVERY light enfeeble RDM does and excluding gear which WHM does NOT need to be a good healer is equally as potent as RDM bar the merits. Then with have the lolMelee capability for which WHM thrashes RDM the actual (melee mage) so NO.... WHM is NOT only a healer stop believing the crap SE tell you all the time.

Umm no they said making MND and Healing Magic skill more important. Meaning /WHM might actually get nerfed depending on how they do it. /WHM has half the skill of WHM main yet the base cure power is roughly the same, there is something wrong with that picture.

Yes, MND, the only gimp to subjobs will be the skill which will probably be minute. Other jobs can get MND gear, I know... shocking!

[Neisan_Quetz]

Lol, that made me laugh. slightly true, yet in Port Jeuno (the new whitegate, ugh, miss that place) I still see many shouts everyday for a rdm. And I still have people ask me to play on rdm often for enfeebs and refresh and such. So like I said, I fail to see the extreme lack in usefulness that people are claiming for RDM. Looking towards the future though, with new content on the way, perhaps like for instance the new dungeon crawl slated to be released in 2012, RDM will come back to the peak of the mountain people put it on.

Just... what shouts besides VW are asking for Rdm? Because there's literally no other reason to shout for a Rdm as it stands, and only for its merit spells.

Of course in another update Rdm/Sch will have more procs than Sch main without having a broken JA proc, but that doesn't change much other than marginalize some groups bringing Sch main.

[Moonracer]

Just... what shouts besides VW are asking for Rdm? Because there's literally no other reason to shout for a Rdm as it stands, and only for its merit spells.

Of course in another update Rdm/Sch will have more procs than Sch main without having a broken JA proc, but that doesn't change much other than marginalize some groups bringing Sch main.

Last I saw, old content is still being done as much as new. Limbus, Einherjar, HNMs, Gods, etc. They are not shouted as much, but still, the shouts are there. Don't see it? Ask a LS that still does these things. Abyssea is all the rage now, but its far from the only thing that people do in the game.

You ever played as RDM or SCH? I'm thinking not.

RDM's best enfeebles are merits, like someone said before that's the equivalent of giving WHM upto Cure IV and then making Cure V a merit spell. Every other enfeeble RDM has is given to loads of other jobs the only exception being Gravity which in itself is useless.

SCH is NOT a buffer, the only real buffs it gains is from subjobs or it's 2-hour that does NOT make SCH a buffer.

Then we go onto WHM then shall we. It's only a "healer" in what world is it only a healer. It has better enhancing magic that the job with the highest enhancing, and better magic than your so called Enhancer SCH, it has access to EVERY light enfeeble RDM does and excluding gear which WHM does NOT need to be a good healer is equally as potent as RDM bar the merits. Then with have the lolMelee capability for which WHM thrashes RDM the actual (melee mage) so NO.... WHM is NOT only a healer stop believing the crap SE tell you all the time.

Actually yes, I have played all mage jobs (save blu) on several chars, whm and rdm being the most prominent. So I know full well its use and potential. As far as SCH goes, lets see: it has access to almost all enhancements innately, check. Those it does not have, it can obtain from subjobs, check. Oh, I forgot. The fact that SCH can AoE pretty much every enhancement it has access to, whereas other jobs cannot, save for whm which can AoE protect, shell, and bar spells. SCH potential is limitless per se, but its realistic use is how the players use them and mold them. 9/10, sch is either backup nuking, or backup healing, always buffing.

As far as whm goes, Better enhancing doesnt mean entirely too much. Yes WHM enhancing is more useful than RDM, but as I've stated before, RDM having higher is more for solo purposes. WHM's only enhancing spells though are Protect, Shell, Bar- Spells, and maybe one or two others. Its better, but far more restricted. Yes, WHM can melee, and quite well, i've whinja'ed many things. But realistically, how often do you actually see a WHM doin such? I do not say something simply because SE states it to be so. I speak from experience.

Now to RDM. Ive stated time and time again that RDM is a solo specialist. People get sore because their effectiveness in parties is somewhat diminished, but all the same their usefulness is not. Yes because of new level caps other mage jobs have all the "specialties" that rdm once prided itself on, i.e. convert and refresh, but alternatively RDM gets the same access to many of the things it couldnt before, increasing its usefulness in, lets say for instance, crowd control. Everyone focuses on what other jobs get from RDM. Think about all RDM gets from other jobs as well.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Now to RDM. Ive stated time and time again that RDM is a solo specialist. People get sore because their effectiveness in parties is somewhat diminished, but all the same their usefulness is not. Yes because of new level caps other mage jobs have all the "specialties" that rdm once prided itself on, i.e. convert and refresh, but alternatively RDM gets the same access to many of the things it couldnt before, increasing its usefulness in, lets say for instance, crowd control. Everyone focuses on what other jobs get from RDM. Think about all RDM gets from other jobs as well.

There actually isn't that much considering the only good stuff (/whm or /nin) they've blocked out or gimped severely (accession.)

[Neisan_Quetz]

Aside from maybe salvage which Whm can still main heal in and better there's no real advantage to taking Rdm to any of those.

Technically even less of an advantage for me for sky/dynamis, since I can put the whm /thf if no thf main, get better cures, nas, AoE buffs, and TH2.

[Lilia]

shouts for a rdm.... odin server? fO.o i never see

WHM spell list: only cure5... whm cant other spells or ga spells or ga -na or ja or other things. you invite whm only for cure5 - thats is JUNK. cure 5 help much but is not the only thing for a whm.......

oh rdm with cure5 is mainhealer- is blu or pup a good mainhealer now?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

shouts for a rdm.... odin server? fO.o i never see

WHM spell list: only cure5... whm cant other spells or ga spells or ga -na or ja or other things. you invite whm only for cure5 - thats is JUNK. cure 5 help much but is not the only thing for a whm.......

oh rdm with cure5 is mainhealer- is blu or pup a good mainhealer now?

They're going on old-game mechanics, where RDM was a capable healer over WHM due to Convert, Refresh and only taking one slot as opposed to needing a RDM, BRD or COR with the WHM.

Those times are dead and WHM's MP issues are mostly to completely gone.

[Lilia]

oh i write the last ldr answer by a event

-rdm?
-(ldr) for what?
-(ldr) when you want cure4 or haste come blm/whm or smn/whm please

[FrankReynolds]

Last I saw, old content is still being done as much as new. Limbus, Einherjar, HNMs, Gods, etc. They are not shouted as much, but still, the shouts are there. Don't see it? Ask a LS that still does these things. Abyssea is all the rage now, but its far from the only thing that people do in the game.



Actually yes, I have played all mage jobs (save blu) on several chars, whm and rdm being the most prominent. So I know full well its use and potential. As far as SCH goes, lets see: it has access to almost all enhancements innately, check. Those it does not have, it can obtain from subjobs, check. Oh, I forgot. The fact that SCH can AoE pretty much every enhancement it has access to, whereas other jobs cannot, save for whm which can AoE protect, shell, and bar spells. SCH potential is limitless per se, but its realistic use is how the players use them and mold them. 9/10, sch is either backup nuking, or backup healing, always buffing.

As far as whm goes, Better enhancing doesnt mean entirely too much. Yes WHM enhancing is more useful than RDM, but as I've stated before, RDM having higher is more for solo purposes. WHM's only enhancing spells though are Protect, Shell, Bar- Spells, and maybe one or two others. Its better, but far more restricted. Yes, WHM can melee, and quite well, i've whinja'ed many things. But realistically, how often do you actually see a WHM doin such? I do not say something simply because SE states it to be so. I speak from experience.

Now to RDM. Ive stated time and time again that RDM is a solo specialist. People get sore because their effectiveness in parties is somewhat diminished, but all the same their usefulness is not. Yes because of new level caps other mage jobs have all the "specialties" that rdm once prided itself on, i.e. convert and refresh, but alternatively RDM gets the same access to many of the things it couldnt before, increasing its usefulness in, lets say for instance, crowd control. Everyone focuses on what other jobs get from RDM. Think about all RDM gets from other jobs as well.

Funny, I keep trying to solo on red mage, but Bind and Gravity won't stick on anything anymore, and everything seems to resist my debuffs. I guess I could melee this stuff, but I think I'll go switch to dancer or Thief or NInja first. BRB.

[cidbahamut]

I still see many shouts everyday for a rdm.

Yes, preceded by "Worm {Party} {Do you need it?}".