How about an Enfeebling Magic thread?

[Stylin]

I was just being silly. I haven't looked at one of those things in (30??) years.

Seriously though, people claiming Red Mages aren't party buffers is silly. The peg is a terrible analogy, in that anything will fit in the star shaped hole if the hole is big enough. In this case, what constitutes buffing a party is a big gray area, and red fits in it pretty damn often regardless of whether red mage is a "star" at it.

Ah but if the hole is so big that any peg can go in, is it really fitting?

Regen, Refresh, Haste, Protect and Shell are all we get to enhance others. This is part of the Jack of All Trades title. It can fit in that role if a specialist is not available, the same way it can be a nuker, DD, or main heal.

[Neisan_Quetz]

P2 but yeah.

You can cut 2 of those 4 off your list of 'can fit the role if no specialist available'.

[Stylin]

P2 but yeah.

You can cut 2 of those 4 off your list of 'can fit the role if no specialist available'.

Whoosh. This isn't a debate.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Then you enjoy having a shitty Jack.

[Stylin]

Obviously I'm not talking about filling ALL the roles at one time. Try not to be so anal about everything.

[Neisan_Quetz]

As soon as people stop bringing up that worn out phrase as if it means a crap.

[Stylin]

As soon as people stop bringing up that worn out phrase as if it means a crap.

You're just upset that the "Master of None" finally applies to it's healing aspect.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

You're just upset that the "Master of None" finally applies to it's healing aspect.

Jack of all trades doesn't apply to healing either so....

that said if people want to have digs at other people I hear a School Playground is a much better place to do it.

[FrankReynolds]

Ah but if the hole is so big that any peg can go in, is it really fitting?

Regen, Refresh, Haste, Protect and Shell are all we get to enhance others. This is part of the Jack of All Trades title. It can fit in that role if a specialist is not available, the same way it can be a nuker, DD, or main heal.

Yes, we "fit" in lots of roles. It would be nice if red mage skill set was reshaped to fit better, but for the mean time, haste, shell, refresh, protect and phalanx are all buffs that are expected to be used in a large portion of the game. Saying that the person who casts them isn't buffing the party is ass backwards.

Maybe we should tell people to stop calling 360 and ps3 game consoles. Afterall, my pc has better graphics and a larger available game catalog, so 360 and ps3 are clearly not game consoles.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You're just upset that the "Master of None" finally applies to it's healing aspect.

lolwut, are we playing the same game?