Scholar Outside VS Inside Abyssea

[Kabel]

Does anyone notice a HUGE difference? I absolutely love my Scholar outside of Abyssea. I feel like my mp conservation (Dynamis KS99 HNMs -- old school stuff) by far makes up for my inability to heal as well as a WHM or nuke as well as a BLM. But as soon as I step inside of Abyssea where MP seems to no longer be an issue this is where I feel like I fall behind drastically. Does anyone else notice this?

[hideka]

i can pretty much outnuke any blm outside of abyssea still.... (unless their totally insane emperyan set bonus kicks in) inside it gets a tad bit imbalanced due to the introduction of beyond, and sch not having access to blizzard 5

[Sotek]

I don't mind Black Mage being a better nuker or White Mage being a better healer, that is the way it's mean to be. My only issue with Scholar in Abyssea is it's completely worthless when it comes to procing !!. Scholar has nothing unique for it and when you're low man and Scholar isn't even that great anyway, it really makes the job suffer. I never understood why Helices weren't able to proc the spell weakness, or after last update t1 Skill Chains would have even worked.

[Cream_Soda]

Mp is no longer an issue outside of abyssea either, it just requires support.

Inside abyssea the mnk + whm duo game. You have up to 5/tic on the whm himself. Up to 20/tic on atma for 25/tic.


You can get more WITH support, but it's never needed.

Now outside of abyssea, that rdm that was no longer useful in abyssea. Refresh II +7 w/ rdm af3+2.

Bard w/o Ghorn can get +2 ballad. Ballad II w/ +2 is 4 MP/tic. Ballad III w/ +2 MP is 5/tic = 9/tic.

9 + 7 + 5 = 21 mp/tic outside of abyssea.

It went a little unnoticed because all that stuff came out at the same time as abyssea, but let's say we get new content outside of abyssea, which without atma, is going to require support, we still have our abyssea levels of refresh on our whms.

[Siiri]

i can pretty much outnuke any blm outside of abyssea still.... (unless their totally insane emperyan set bonus kicks in) inside it gets a tad bit imbalanced due to the introduction of beyond, and sch not having access to blizzard 5

Further proof that scholar needs to be nerfed, not adjusted up. The Blizzard V issue will be fixed with the next level cap rise, and scholar will once again overpower black mage. I suppose you think that is ok, but yet most do not think its ok to over power white mages? Again I ask, why should scholar ever over power a specialist, and why is it ok for scholars to want to outnuke black mages? How can anyone not think Dark Arts don't deserve a nerf?

[Crossarius]

I am a BLM and a SCH and I certainly do not outnuke myself on SCH versus my BLM. Inside of Aby no SCH won't come close enough without the intelligent use of immanence to create SCs (and then a BLm can just MB on the SCs to increase the own dmg yet again). But trying to built SCs has it's limitation that most melees will just WS in between more often than not.
If MP isn't an issue as BLM, casting speed is even faster than a SCHs and enmity can be wiped out (only every 10 minutes though) a SCH cannot outnuke a BLM if they have even atma effects. But outnuking is just not what a SCHs is for. I don't want to outnuke my BLM. I want to be able to nuke hard enough to be worthwhile, while supporting the party. Supporting it by using weather spells to increase BLMs dmg, building SC or turn around and buff melees with whatever.

SE should just start lifting the need of addendum:black for T4s.

[Rambus]

Further proof that scholar needs to be nerfed, not adjusted up. The Blizzard V issue will be fixed with the next level cap rise, and scholar will once again overpower black mage. I suppose you think that is ok, but yet most do not think its ok to over power white mages? Again I ask, why should scholar ever over power a specialist, and why is it ok for scholars to want to outnuke black mages? How can anyone not think Dark Arts don't deserve a nerf?

Its not that SCH needs to be nufed, more so BLM needs to be fixed. Before abyssea BLM was worthless due to being mp damage and sch was let in on the fun because of cure IV. Now you have the blm/whm and nin duo for seals or an abyssea tanks job wtih brd or blu, whm and blm.
yes SCH can outnuke blms, spell for spell, but at a slower rate amd dont have stuff like manawall. what happens when SCH gives weather to a blm? its like COR for melee, it can buff it self and others to do damage.

I do not think it was meant for SCH to be the slower, stronger nuker then blm, I think SE is a bit backwards on the balance of sch and blm atm.

st bonus for blm is stupid
first you need a conserve mp proc then a 10% ish chance for the double damage right?

.25*.10=.025 or a 2.5% chance of a proc, that is retarded.

I think all the set bonuses are too low, but more so for blm.

I am a BLM and a SCH and I certainly do not outnuke myself on SCH versus my BLM. Inside of Aby no SCH won't come close enough without the intelligent use of immanence to create SCs (and then a BLm can just MB on the SCs to increase the own dmg yet again). But trying to built SCs has it's limitation that most melees will just WS in between more often than not.
If MP isn't an issue as BLM, casting speed is even faster than a SCHs and enmity can be wiped out (only every 10 minutes though) a SCH cannot outnuke a BLM if they have even atma effects. But outnuking is just not what a SCHs is for. I don't want to outnuke my BLM. I want to be able to nuke hard enough to be worthwhile, while supporting the party. Supporting it by using weather spells to increase BLMs dmg, building SC or turn around and buff melees with whatever.

SE should just start lifting the need of addendum:black for T4s.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...out-SCH./page5

I said this before on a different fourm as well, it would go though the line like around RDMs have them:

stone IV should read:
BLM 68/ RDM 77
SCH 70 ( Addendum black) SCH 76.
keep going like that for the other IV spells

I never did understand why SE didn't do that

[hideka]

Further proof that scholar needs to be nerfed, not adjusted up. The Blizzard V issue will be fixed with the next level cap rise, and scholar will once again overpower black mage. I suppose you think that is ok, but yet most do not think its ok to over power white mages? Again I ask, why should scholar ever over power a specialist, and why is it ok for scholars to want to outnuke black mages? How can anyone not think Dark Arts don't deserve a nerf?

you should also have to consider the level of preparation that a sch has to do to achive those digits, where as a blm has ZERO preparation to put out the same digits.

Windstorm
Parsimony
Klimaform
Ebulience
Gearswaps for specific situations (MP levels, storm status, DInt effectiveness levels)
Nuke

where as blackmage is just
Gearswaps
Nuke.

oh and not to mention blms are pretty much 100% parsimony mode at all times.

also, my T5 aeros do as much as a blm's blizzard V's outside abyssea in relatively comprable gear,

[Siiri]

you should also have to consider the level of preparation that a sch has to do to achive those digits, where as a blm has ZERO preparation to put out the same digits.,

Pressing macros isn't hard.

also, my T5 aeros do as much as a blm's blizzard V's outside abyssea in relatively comprable gear,

Again, nerf Scholar. They shouldn't be anywhere close to black mage. Job balance is very broken with the existence of scholar.

[Mezzopiano]

There is actually a wind damage atma (Atma of Gales, to be specific). Try adding that along with/instead of a Beyond and then see if an Aero V can match a BLM's Blizzard V.