Scholar Outside VS Inside Abyssea

[Sotek]

Good luck with that, troll.

[Mezzopiano]

A correction: Atma of Gales is +40 wind potency, not +30. I don't know if that is enough to make up for the loss of +30 MAB, but still, something to consider.

[Delvish]

The thing about making SCH not stand up to BLM or WHM is that it promotes the cookie cutter party setup that SE has been trying to push off to the side. Yes, one setup will always do better than other setups based upon situation. However SCH allows that cookie cutter mold to be broken just a bit. We can stand in for a BLM or WHM, allowing a group to continue on when either your current BLM or WHM dies/DC's/Ragequits and you need that nuke or heal to keep you going.

It's the mage equivalent of the PLD|NIN tank dilemma SE's been fighting for years. We simply need something that will do in the absence of something better. We SCH's pride ourselves in filling that role to the best of our abilities. We just want more ability.

[Rambus]

Please, the only issue with white mage vs scholar is inside abyssea, which is soon to be a dead event after next update. Outside scholar always had crazy endurance and I know from players in my linkshell who had scholar and white mage they prefer healing on scholar for most events, even at 75. Although the lack of haste was an issue there. Scholar is one spell (Cure V) from making white mage obsolete for everything.

All I see on forums is scholars bragging about how the out damage black mages. hideka said in this thead that he outnukes black mages outside of abyssea. I never have personally seen a scholar out nuke my black mage, but its all over every forum with screen shots, bragging, etc. A nerf is just the easiest way to do it. A job, like scholar is too strong, nerf please. Its the MMO way. Possibly give something back to scholar, maybe Tier 2 storms and Tier 2 helixes and take away Tier 5 nukes. Seems fair.

If a hybrid is too close what's the point for the main jobs. If scholar can replace a black mage and a white mage at the same time with basically no negatives why even have the black mage and white mage jobs? That was the state of the game at 75, I am just trying to prevent it from being the norm at 99.

I don’t know about your LS or anything but i find that statement ignorant. I have all jobs leveled and I always refuse to main heal on SCH. the closest it gets to that is a support cure and support buffing job. I was once in a convo when abyssea was new people use 2 whms in a tank party. I said there is no point of that, if anything a whm and a sch is better then 2 whm.

that is because you can buff tank with stoneskin, phalanx and aquaviel.

If SCH gets cure V ( and it should, like i said before its progress, you need to progress all aspects of the game otherwise your still on the cap 75 mind set. FYI FFXI is still cap 75 or has that feel, SE has not properly broke all the caps and concepts that only fit for 75). I will be the same way, if you want me be main heal I am going WHM/SCH.
WHM officers best healing per second spam and damage migration ( bar spells, bar spell gear that makes them even more incredible and shell V merits).
You take V spells from SCH then you are back to what SCH was pre update, a useless job that is second to red mage, so trying to nerf the damage of SCH nuking by taking away V spells is not the answer.
Saying I want to heal on SCH over WHM because I save more mp is ignorant.

As for damage, what about COR? Cor has been a DD/support and doing extraordinary extorny damage from buffing them selfs along with others. SCH base nuking is not stronger then BLM, it only gets that way though buffing and it takes time to do that.

You really have to understand when SCH say they can outnuke BLM its on an Ebullience and klimaform+ emp boots +2.

The recast is too long and the duration is really short.

you have to understand SCH is getting+ 10% bonus from weather, +30% with Ebullience + emp hat+2, and +10 with emp +2 boots and klimaform.

like I said when people are saying they outnuke blms they do not mean all the time, they are just saying that THEY CAN outnuke BLM because of the above buffs.

I am a bit shocked you are not compaling about other jobs doing better AoE damage then a BLM.

[Miera]

I don't think SCHs are broken, they are the Jack of all trade master of none. I think their Balance in enfeebling and Cures and Nukes are fine.

I do notice that I never use Sublimation in Abyssea unless I am fighting a mob that likes to use Sleepga because my MP is never a problem in abyssea. I think SCHs do so well with nukes now is because SE gave us some love and put a ton of MAB Magic Accuracy and crit gear, by the way that Savant's gown +2 is pretty nice.

[Fetus]

So, after reading through three pages of Siiri tooting his/her horn like a bad prom date, I still have yet to read any concise reason as to why he/she thinks SCH shouldn't have the capacity to out-damage BLM. The only thing I see is, "Blah, blah, blah, people bragging..." or "Blah, blah, blah, I can't compete so nerf please...". BLM has Elemental Celerity, Mana Wall and Enmity Douse plus it can /SCH and use Parsimony and Alacrity or /RDM and have Convert and Fast Cast available. What are you complaining about? You know that Abyssea isn't the only aspect of the game, right? My NIN can out-damage BLM or SCH with ninjutsu in Abyssea, should that be nerfed, too?

Instead of crying like a child, why don't you invent some new methods to improve BLM instead of spewing out facetious, trite crap to detract from the glory of SCH?

[Siiri]

The issue is that scholar is a hybrid. The hybrid shouldn't be better at the job than the specialist, or the specialist has no function. Its generally accepted in these thread that white mage should be a better healer than scholar, so I am asking why people think scholar should out damage black mage? If scholar does more damage, than flips and cures, supports, etc job balance could be over turned. Plenty of other people have made similar points with the curing aspect, I am just saying the nuking aspect may be a problem post abyssea once scholar gets Blizzard V in addition to the increase in Strategem they recently got, and the last sublimation update. My reasoning is general game balance, nothing more or less.

Discussing a topic isn't crying, not sure why I am accused of this when plenty others have argued against scholar getting Cure V. Is it because I am questioning dark arts which is most players favorite?

[hideka]

The issue is that scholar is a hybrid. The hybrid shouldn't be better at the job than the specialist, or the specialist has no function. Its generally accepted in these thread that white mage should be a better healer than scholar, so I am asking why people think scholar should out damage black mage? If scholar does more damage, than flips and cures, supports, etc job balance could be over turned. Plenty of other people have made similar points with the curing aspect, I am just saying the nuking aspect may be a problem post abyssea once scholar gets Blizzard V in addition to the increase in Strategem they recently got, and the last sublimation update. My reasoning is general game balance, nothing more or less.

Discussing a topic isn't crying, not sure why I am accused of this when plenty others have argued against scholar getting Cure V. Is it because I am questioning dark arts which is most players favorite?

just because a job is a hybrid, it does NOT mean it has to be weaker then one of the jobs it is taking from. whats the point in having a hybrid job, that cant utilize its hybridism to its fullest potential at all times, and preforms under that of another job? play ANY other MMO, hell most any rpg, and youll see that all hybrid jobs preform on par in some way shape or form to any and all single purpose jobs, thus preserving the balance of the game. theres no point in bringing a hybrid job when it is not going to utilizie its hybrid capabilities at all times and to its fullest extent, UNLESS it is able to utilize ONE portion of its hybridism to preform on par with a sole role class.

[Delvish]

Funny thing... I actually took a stroll into BLM's thread because of Siiri's bickering. Not a single complaint about SCH outnuking them has been said, nor was there any complaint about the job, beyond hopeful spells that BLM can actually expect to get (tIV-Gas, Meteor, etc.) Heck, there is even a thread talking about their damage potential and how 5k dmg on blizz 5 is the bottom of the barrel and 10k is actually quite common. I'd lose my mind in joy if I even hit 7k with a nuke as un-buffed as they are.

On the flip side, SCH's have given nothing but advice and constructive criticism on our job abilities and spells (as well we should with our intuitive nature). The general consensus is that we are ok where we are at now but sometime in the next 9 levels our roles will fall to the wayside if they are not handled properly.

[Fetus]

...and 10k is actually quite common...

I've read the same threads and I don't think anyone is saying that breaching 10,000 damage is "quite common". It takes proper equipment, Atma choices and the AF3+2 set bonus activating (which doesn't occur at what I would call a reliable rate). However, the potential is there for BLM to do insane amounts of damage... there's no questioning that. That's neither here nor there, though.