Scholar Outside VS Inside Abyssea

[Crossarius]

Even with the atma of the gales aero V shouldn't be able to match a BlizzV. Beyond not only gives Ice potency +30% but MAB+30 while atma of the gales has only wind potency +30 on it. You are sacrificing some damage from an MAB Atma to gain more DMG from the potency atma, while using mostly ice nukes as BLMs gives you both MAB and Ice potency in one atma + Baying Moon (+30) or Ultimate for +50 and MM for refresh and INT+50.
Ontop is blizzard V's base dmg higher than aero V's

It can be closer but matching it could be a stretch.
Also I agree that a BLM does have a much easier time nuking as the job is not bound to special conditions and possibilities to alternate spells into higher potency/less MP cost etc. It is in fact point and nuke, the rest being gear swaps. Occassionally checking on mana wall and enmity douse reuse timer and you're good to go.

Simply pressing macros does not cover the thought you need to put into stratagem charges and how to use them, klimaform/weather timers and so forth. Simply said: nuking on SCH requires at least somewhat more thought and effort than it does on BLM. That's a fact.

Oh and rambus I know you said the same about T4 nukes. I just like repeating this request in hope for SE to read it. I'll try to do it the mellowy-way and keep mentioning it.

[Siiri]

Atmas should not be figured in when comparing nukes.

1. Scholar will soon have Blizzard V and will be out damamging black mage again.
2. The game will be moving outside of abyssea past 90. People are ignoring the fact that scholar needs to be nerfed by using the fake argument that abyssea with atmas proves anything or matter, or act like scholar will never be getting Blizzard V.

The point is Scholar is not a better healer than white mage regardless of how many macros they press, the should also NEVER outnuke a black mage. Why is this so hard to understand. They should have tier 5 nukes taken away from them as the easiest solution to this.

[Sotek]

Atmas should not be figured in when comparing nukes.

1. Scholar will soon have Blizzard V and will be out damamging black mage again.
2. The game will be moving outside of abyssea past 90. People are ignoring the fact that scholar needs to be nerfed by using the fake argument that abyssea with atmas proves anything or matter, or act like scholar will never be getting Blizzard V.

The point is Scholar is not a better healer than white mage regardless of how many macros they press, the should also NEVER outnuke a black mage. Why is this so hard to understand. They should have tier 5 nukes taken away from them as the easiest solution to this.

No. Scholar is meant to be White Mage and Black Mage. That's the damned definition of the job. It shouldn't be better than them both, but it should reach a damn close level of balance with the two, having a hybrid job that can't hold a flame to the jobs it's a hybrid of just makes it completely worthless (as it currently is when it tries to be White Mage). This is exactly why they gave Scholar tIV nukes way back when it was the most pathetic job in the game.
Pretending Scholar vs Black Mage is unbalanced is ridiculous. People claiming to out damage Black Mages are playing with some god awful Black Mages. Black Mage nukes faster, harder, can do it for less enmity gain, has access to -aga/-jas which have always kept it from being replaced (Black Mage -ja spam for Azure Light farm is far better than anything else, except maybe Red Mage Chainspell spam).
Dark Arts is pretty damn balanced. Everything Black Mage has access to, Scholar can have access too. Stronger nukes with Ebullience (which is meant to make Scholars damage closer to Black Mages) and Addendum: Black, faster nukes with Alacrity, less enmity gain with Equanimity, etc. etc. That's pretty balanced considering its meant to be a stand in for Black Mage, if anything is broken, it's Black Mage. Why you think nerfs are the only way to adjust the game is beyond me. If Black Mage is lacking in damage (like I highly doubt when they have access to far more MAB and not to mention AFv3 proc), they just need a bonus to damage. Considering Scholar cannot compare to White Mage at all at the moment, making it exactly the same in regards to Black Mage would be the dumbest thing ever. That's not balance, that's just making one job completely worthless.

[Siiri]

Please, the only issue with white mage vs scholar is inside abyssea, which is soon to be a dead event after next update. Outside scholar always had crazy endurance and I know from players in my linkshell who had scholar and white mage they prefer healing on scholar for most events, even at 75. Although the lack of haste was an issue there. Scholar is one spell (Cure V) from making white mage obsolete for everything.

All I see on forums is scholars bragging about how the out damage black mages. hideka said in this thead that he outnukes black mages outside of abyssea. I never have personally seen a scholar out nuke my black mage, but its all over every forum with screen shots, bragging, etc. A nerf is just the easiest way to do it. A job, like scholar is too strong, nerf please. Its the MMO way. Possibly give something back to scholar, maybe Tier 2 storms and Tier 2 helixes and take away Tier 5 nukes. Seems fair.

If a hybrid is too close what's the point for the main jobs. If scholar can replace a black mage and a white mage at the same time with basically no negatives why even have the black mage and white mage jobs? That was the state of the game at 75, I am just trying to prevent it from being the norm at 99.

[Sotek]

Please, the only issue with white mage vs scholar is inside abyssea, which is soon to be a dead event after next update. Outside scholar always had crazy endurance and I know from players in my linkshell who had scholar and white mage they prefer healing on scholar for most events, even at 75. Although the lack of haste was an issue there. Scholar is one spell (Cure V) from making white mage obsolete for everything.

Oh please. Even if Abyssea does become a dead event, have you ever for a second thought new events might be similar?
Cure V on Scholar with proper enimty gain would be far from broken, regardless. If I main heal on Scholar, enmity is actually an issue, White Mage has zero issues with hate gain because Cure V/VI are otherwise broken spells, not to mention a numver of other aspects of the job. If Scholar had Cure V with enmity gain greater than Cure VI, I would never spam it the same way White Mage can. That would just be a fast route to getting myself killed. Cure V on Scholar would be nothing more than a spell to use when the shit hits the fan, which is a spell Scholar desperately needs for curing. Cure IV is pathetic when even NMs outside Abyssea (I'm thinking WoE) can deal way more damage than Cure IV heals.

All I see on forums is scholars bragging about how the out damage black mages. hideka said in this thead that he outnukes black mages outside of abyssea. I never have personally seen a scholar out nuke my black mage, but its all over every forum with screen shots, bragging, etc. A nerf is just the easiest way to do it. A job, like scholar is too strong, nerf please. Its the MMO way. Possibly give something back to scholar, maybe Tier 2 storms and Tier 2 helixes and take away Tier 5 nukes. Seems fair.

So what you're saying is, no one out damages you but you want them nerfed anyway? Ok, goodbye. You can quit trolling this forum now.
Even if Scholar is doing more damage, that's either not a problem or a problem with the whole game. Black Mage still nukes faster and thus deals more DoT and it's a problem with the game because the state of the game currently makes Ebullience (the only way a Scholar will ever deal more damage) the only worthwhile Stratagem to use, making the whole strategic aspect of the job rather redundant.
Oh and t2 Helices would be way more powerful than tV nukes. t1 Helices are already damn close (mine average 5k in total).

If a hybrid is too close what's the point for the main jobs. If scholar can replace a black mage and a white mage at the same time with basically no negatives why even have the black mage and white mage jobs? That was the state of the game at 75, I am just trying to prevent it from being the norm at 99.

1) Scholar cannot do White Mages job and Black Mages job at the same time. That's the whole point of Light/Dark Arts.
2) There are plenty of negatives, I believe I already mentioned some. -aga/-jas have always meant Black Mage was needed for any event with multiple mobs (Dynamis) or any NM with adds (JoL). Then there's the whole point of Stratagems.
3) Assuming SE continues with !! procs, all jobs (except Scholar) pretty much have solid purposes.
4) Buffing White Mage (hell no) and Black Mage (maybe) is still a far better alternative. Stop trolling.

If Scholar truly did threaten Black Mage and White Mage at any stage in FFXIs history, it would have become the mage bandwagon job. It didn't. It hasn't. Stop complaining.

[Siiri]

I never asked to buff white mage. I think White mage is fine. I do think Cure V should be exclusively white mage property though. At least the way it exists. I can buy arguments remove the enmity down if given to scholar etc. That would be fine, but Cure V as is would break Scholar compared to white mage. Plenty of people agree with that, its hardly trolling. If SE is taking any of this seriously, which they are probably not, I feel that I need to keep putting thoughts like this out there as not to over power Scholar further.

Scholar and red mage tend to be endurance healers outside of abyssea, where as white mages are end game healers where barspells, cure v, capped shellra merits etc matter. Because of mp recovery issues white mages were passed over for other mages in bird parties etc. How will 91-99 be? I don't know, but it needs to be brought up. SE mentioned that game balance will be worked on to 99, so they will still be adjusting jobs and white mage could fall behind again.

As for black mage vs scholar, obviously we disagree. I will continue to advance the idea that T5 spells make scholar overpowered. With the increase in Stratagems scholar is never out of them, and can ebullience every spell. With the ridiculous changes to sublimation, they also never run out of mp. This will be an issue outside of abyssea. An ebullience spell outnukes a black spell, and scholar has infinite charges and mp. This isn't about personal experience, its math.

[Raksha]

Pressing macros isn't hard.



Again, nerf Scholar. They shouldn't be anywhere close to black mage. Job balance is very broken with the existence of scholar.

Sure and while we're at it lets nerf 12 melee jobs so they cant even come close to the best phys DD.

[Siiri]

Sure and while we're at it lets nerf 12 melee jobs so they cant even come close to the best phys DD.

That is totally different. Scholar is a "hybrid" job that has both white and black mage functions. It should not be more powerful than the specialist. Melees are irrelevant to this discussion.

[Sotek]

As for black mage vs scholar, obviously we disagree. I will continue to advance the idea that T5 spells make scholar overpowered. With the increase in Stratagems scholar is never out of them, and can ebullience every spell. With the ridiculous changes to sublimation, they also never run out of mp. This will be an issue outside of abyssea. An ebullience spell outnukes a black spell, and scholar has infinite charges and mp. This isn't about personal experience, its math.

Buffing Black Mage is still a far better option. Though buffing 11k nukes seems ridiculous.

Scholar got tIV nukes for a reason. If Scholar was released now with a similar spell set as it had when it first was (a weak copy of Red Mages, so tIVs included this time), they would give it tVs for the exact same reason.

Black Mage is much more of an endurance nuker than Scholar. Endurance in the sense that I will eventually have to stop nuking so as not to pull hate, while Black Mage can just wipe clean its hate. Adding something like that is a much better way to balance the two. Making Scholar a completely pathetic nuker is not.

Stop coming in the Scholar forum and complaining about Black Mage. If there is an issue with Black Mage nuking weaker, go in the Black Mage forum and ask for them to address that issue. You can even say "nerf Scholar" there, coming here and saying it and expecting anyone to agree with you is completely stupid. Though some how I expect more Black Mages will agree with me saying buff the job rather than agreeing with nerfing another job.

[Siiri]

I am in the scholar forums to counter the argument that scholar needs to be buffed. That is the only reason I am here, and I am allowed to post anywhere I want. I will continue to argue my points in any buff scholar thread.