Inconsiderate!

[Nynja]

Anyone saying that "gimps dont affect you" needs to get their head checked.

One gimp popping X nm or claiming timed Y nm with only one ??? and spending 20-25 minutes ssslllllloooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwly dotting it down affects everyone waiting to fight said NM's because theyre spending 20-25 minutes watching gimpy mcgimp fight something that should take 3.

[Korpg]

Anyone saying that "gimps dont affect you" needs to get their head checked.

One gimp popping X nm or claiming timed Y nm with only one ??? and spending 20-25 minutes ssslllllloooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwly dotting it down affects everyone waiting to fight said NM's because theyre spending 20-25 minutes watching gimpy mcgimp fight something that should take 3.

Only gimps I see are those standing there doing nothing watching somebody solo a mob.

You know, there are a lot of other mobs to kill right next to you, most KIs are farmed with gold chests, and you should be able to get 1, or if you are lucky 2, key items of the mob you are trying to pop. Unless the item you want only comes from that mob.....which it doesn't. Anything of importance comes from different NMs (seals) or multi-??? mobs (+2 and emp item). Unless you really want that Clarus Stone that is.

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[Yugl]

OP: I don't judge people camping by abstract moral principles, but rather by whether it is smarter for them to do so. In most cases, the smarter decision is to not camp on other PTs. This generally reduces the overall capacity of both groups. However, there are instances where one party can effectively monopolize control of the area and if this is produces greater returns (Not just equal returns), then they're making the economical choice if they do so. In most cases where parties compete for camps, it's because there's an investment for initiating the event. At 75, "good" groups were difficult to make via pick up PTs, so telling the group to accept inferior conditions or to "go home" when they can make more profitable returns than changing camps is absurd. Similarly, Dynamis has the same dynamics since they cannot just leave and return at will.

[Nynja]

Only gimps I see are those standing there doing nothing watching somebody solo a mob.

You know, there are a lot of other mobs to kill right next to you, most KIs are farmed with gold chests, and you should be able to get 1, or if you are lucky 2, key items of the mob you are trying to pop. Unless the item you want only comes from that mob.....which it doesn't. Anything of importance comes from different NMs (seals) or multi-??? mobs (+2 and emp item). Unless you really want that Clarus Stone that is.

So if I want say thf and war ft seals (both of which drop off the funguar in Vunkerl) and am 3boxing it with thf blm whm (a group that can kill it in about 3 minutes with grellow), and a pink dnc sneaks a pop in (without grellow, without TH, and takes about 15-20 minutes to kill because they keep holding their TP to waltz therefor doing barely any WS dmg, if any) and is too pretentious to team up because he thinks I'll gank his seals or he's too noble to team up with silly NA, for whatever reason, I'm supposed to pack my bags, and split my farming to two different NM's?

Cleaving for gold pops? Ok, I'm in Misareaux, I just finished my Ochain for my lv19 pld, and now I want to get the AF3+2. The leg +2 items main dropper is Amhuluk...buttttt some pink dnc just claimed Asanbosam (who can only proc two of 13 red !!'s). But hey, I can pack my bags, and go farm up 3 Tristita pop sets to make up for the triple drop that Amhuluk could have offered, that should only take a couple hours.

OR...OR, as a 'healthy' alternative for those Coins of Balance, I can go to Tahrongi, and farm up a Chloris pop (which will take atleast 30 minutes from scratch), an Ursurpur pop (which could take a couple hours like tristia) or kill 3 Myrcomelons (yay refresh rods).


I could give more examples if you want?

[Mirage]

In reply to the original post, yeah, I think it's inconsiderate. It's not illegal, though, so the only thing I really do about it is choose not to be nice to the players involved later, if I happen to end up in a situation where I have the choice to be a dick towards them, or be nice instead.

If I happen to run into a few dudes I know to be nice who are wiping to some stuff when it's at like 30%, I might actually try to hold their mob till they get all rested up, instead of killing it and taking the drops for myself.

[detlef]

Guess you never read that I solo farmed the pops and didnt waste anyone elses time. I go to do stuff solo when there are not many people in the zone. Its my time Im spending learning. I dont see it as a waste because I learn more about the mob and what to try next with it. As to the vnm Tier 3 I solo those too, so I dont see why you would think its wasting other peoples time.

If you do stuff solo when there are not many people in the zone, then it sounds like people taking your mobs when you wipe isn't an issue. Thank goodness. I am very relieved to know that your FFXI experience is not negatively impacted by such unscrupulous players. I think it would be best for everybody if you keep playing during off-peak times. Good luck and happy adventuring!

[Modoru]

This reminds me of when I partied for 14 hours straight in Wajaom. [Yes, I seriously did. Don't judge me, it was a long weekend and I had no plans that day.]

About 8~ hours into it, some party shows up and starts stealing the mobs at leypoint [where we were], when there were easily two other camps very available. After arguing for a little while, I managed to convince them to move to a free camp, so that we'd both have open claim on these mobs without a hassle of overcamp.

...That said, the guy was still a dick about it.

[Shadowsong]

And I still stand by it was my hard work that got it to 1% and my hard work that got the pops, why shouldnt I try to kill it if I can or depop it if I cant.

Why do you keep saying "hard work"? What in this game cannot be refarmed in a matter of moments?

[Korpg]

So if I want say thf and war ft seals (both of which drop off the funguar in Vunkerl) and am 3boxing it with thf blm whm (a group that can kill it in about 3 minutes with grellow), and a pink dnc sneaks a pop in (without grellow, without TH, and takes about 15-20 minutes to kill because they keep holding their TP to waltz therefor doing barely any WS dmg, if any) and is too pretentious to team up because he thinks I'll gank his seals or he's too noble to team up with silly NA, for whatever reason, I'm supposed to pack my bags, and split my farming to two different NM's?

Somehow, I don't think you need either one of those seals. But lets say you do. You could go do the multitude of NMs for THF seals (I don't recommend any other NMs for WAR feet seals than the fungar though) and be done with that, and you can take your 2 bots with you, so no harm, no foul. But you are too stubborn to do so, so you will wait until the pink DNC fails so you can gank their mob, as you have so put it.

Cleaving for gold pops? Ok, I'm in Misareaux, I just finished my Ochain for my lv19 pld, and now I want to get the AF3+2. The leg +2 items main dropper is Amhuluk...buttttt some pink dnc just claimed Asanbosam (who can only proc two of 13 red !!'s). But hey, I can pack my bags, and go farm up 3 Tristita pop sets to make up for the triple drop that Amhuluk could have offered, that should only take a couple hours.

Or, you could continue to farm gold chests. I'm sure that your 2 bots doesn't have any other KIs either.

OR...OR, as a 'healthy' alternative for those Coins of Balance, I can go to Tahrongi, and farm up a Chloris pop (which will take atleast 30 minutes from scratch), an Ursurpur pop (which could take a couple hours like tristia) or kill 3 Myrcomelons (yay refresh rods).

You could do that if you want. But we all know, you rather just stand next to soloers/parties and try to lag them out so they can wipe and you and your 2 bots can grab Amhuluk. Which I doubt any DNC will want to solo Asanbosam anyway.