[dev1024] - Pining Nocturne

[Pootersmash]

I don't think the issue is comparable to silence(not being able to cast), but more so spending more time casting instead of meleeing. the concern i think they have is when it does cast something like a T4/5 spell, or a -ja spell, the base casting time on those are around 8 seconds. If the mob has some native fastcast(most NMs), maybe 5 seconds casting time. With just rdm sabo+addle, that puts it up to 7.5 seconds. if nocturne did 20%, 8.5 seconds total.

Now every time the NM tries to cast those spells, that's an extra 3.5 seconds he cannot do anything. Now, I don't feel it's overpowering, but i can atleast see why they might be cautious. I feel the suggestion of allowing them to stack, but capping total at +50% is a good option.

[Retsujo]

I personally don't see the point of implementing the song to BRD. There really isn't a song that can't be stacked with the magic-equivalent version, except for now. I personally would've rather had the Requiem update so the devs could've thought about PN a little more...

I would gladly give up PN for a Paralyze or Bind song.

[Insaniac]

Major: Currently Pining Nocturne doesn't overwrite itself. I think this is an unique situation within the Bard Job and should be resolved. It makes it particularly annoying to try to refresh the spell on mobs and creates several other issues when used in conjunction with other Bard Job Abilities like Marcato, Soul Voice and Troubadour.

No debuffs in the game that I know of save dia and bio will overwrite themselves.

[Yarly]

No debuffs in the game that I know of save dia and bio will overwrite themselves.

Pretty sure elegy overwrites itself and dia/bio don't overwrite themselves as in casting bio on bio doesn't extend the duration. All you will see is the damage.

[detlef]

All BRD debuffs overwrite themselves with Nocturne being the one painful and relevant exception.

[Kraggy]

Can we just fire the dev. team and have people that actually play and understand this game develop it?

Because it's obvious players are always entirely objective and are happy to admit when they're OP and need of serious nerfing when it's appropriate .. er .. wait.

[Zhronne]

All BRD debuffs overwrite themselves with Nocturne being the one painful and relevant exception.

^ This.
I was talking from a BRD point of view of course, not about other jobs.

[Vortex]

After reading camate's post i understand WHY they won't it stack, if a mob is taking to long to cast you can bascialy beat it down aka zerg while it's trying to cast but then i ask.....why would you give brd the song in the 1st place, addle is quick and easy to cast, and now that whm has it there is pretty much now no you'll be without unless they are encouring BRD only healers,

which can be possible, but with there base MP pool which there is 0 without a Mp releated SJ, that isn't going to work very well, what was the plan exactly? i mean it's bad enough every single New NM is immune to silence, bind and gravity, are they trying to snuff out the enfeebling phase?

a week ago somone tried to sell me the scroll for 1.5 mil and i told him he was bascily nuts and i ended up spending 100 k on it 3 days later...thank god i was not that stupid..but now even the 100k didnt seem worth it.

[Zhronne]

Yes, I completely forgot WHM got it at 93, that changes a lot of things imho. Takes more of RDM's uniqueness away to give it to a job that honestly didn't need a new enfeeble at all (WHM).

From this point of view only making Nocturne a different element (hence allowing you to stick it on mobs immune to fire) could give it a small amount of usefulness.

[Wolfandre]

Basically, please make Pining Nocturne stack with a Whm/Rdm's Addle spell. !

The fact that this was said, in this order, before the update, just made the RDM in me cry. Weep, actually. Weep painful tears of regret, and defeat. I feel as though I have been violated by the deviousness of WHMs and BLMs. Go ahead, take my Convert and my exclusive spells. I have Shield Mastery.

Yes, I completely forgot WHM got it at 93, that changes a lot of things imho. Takes more of RDM's uniqueness away to give it to a job that honestly didn't need a new enfeeble at all (WHM).

Let's just give Addle, Gravity, and Hymnus to WARs and MNKs. Oh, and DRKs. There. Now those three jobs can stop /wrist and we can all move on to better jobs, like RNG and DNC. But it's ok, because the endgame just consists of a tank and a healer with 209557w947275 people watching the HP whittle, so who needs Addle? "W" was on accident, but left there for emphasis.

Oh, and SAMs need to DW GKs because that would make sense, and, in turn, make them badasses.

As you can see, I am bitter about this spell/effect; I feel your pain, BRDs. Hat tip to Camate for giving a reason for the inconsistancy, at least. Sorry to threadjack. ; ;