[dev1024] New SCH Spells

[Delvish]

Oh hey, that comment is referencing me! For the record, I don't honestly believe I can beat a well geared BLM. The unfortunate part is that any not-so well geared BLM gets blown out of the water and I think that is the main complaint because there are so many sub-par BLMs.

[Ank]

I wish scholar got more original stuff. I wish they would want to learn how to play the job completely instead of being black mage jr. , but lets face it, that is what most of them want. Or to be black mage ++ in their minds.

When our original stuff is animus and two hour spells, of course some of us will be excited about finally having blizV. I'm sorry if that just makes us wannabe mages.

[Sotek]

I wish scholar got more original stuff. I wish they would want to learn how to play the job completely instead of being black mage jr. , but lets face it, that is what most of them want. Or to be black mage ++ in their minds.

Storm IIs are a progression of Scholars unique stuff.......

But no, some shit ass Scholars you didn't like didn't give you Hailstorm and you still out damaged them. What a perfect justification for not continuing the spell line.

As for playing the job, have you looked at the fucking job? It's meant to be a Black Mage or a White Mage. How the fuck am I meant to learn to play the job instead of being black mage jr. when there is fuck all indication of it being anything else? Libra and Animus certainly aren't full time roles even if they weren't a steaming pile of utter crap.

Is it painful being that utterly stupid? Storm IIs would give Scholar an edge only if the Scholar didn't share it. Cure V gives White Mage the fucking edge only if they cast it on people, if I had a White Mage who Cure V'd only himself I'd kick the fucker in a heart beat and I'd extend the same grace to a Scholar if I was in your place.

[Ank]

Considering storms can be casted on others, I'm not sure what the big deal would be. If you're with a whm, boom instant 80-90% cure potency for them, I'd rather do anything else if I'm with a whm and that sounds great to me. If you're solo curing, its a 15% boost over what you can already do. Ignoring day bonus because you can't control it and everyone will have it equally.

As for buffing blm's, well I usually don't because it usually doesn't matter. I'd love to see what my favorite blm would do if I could storm2 him though, he's already pretty amazing.

[Raksha]

Oh man can you imagine double fire weather + firesday Wildfire damage? That'd be sick.

[Sasaraixx]

I personally have ever only known 1 good scholar. He did share storms. The only other person I knew on scholar was one of the "Scholar is so much better than black mage types." We had a challenge on Mt. Z at lvl 75. He only ice storm himself, I still smoked him though. His first blizzard IV was for 800 lol. Most scholars are garbage. Every one I talk to, with the exception of my linkshell scholar, is obsessed with out damaging black mage. It is even someone's signature of a regular poster in these threads. Plus the trolls on another forum are already starting with the bliz 5 screenshots from the test server, saying, "Hai guys we just obsoleted black mage" etc.

I wish scholar got more original stuff. I wish they would want to learn how to play the job completely instead of being black mage jr. , but lets face it, that is what most of them want. Or to be black mage ++ in their minds.

So you know a grand total of two Scholars, but everyone you talk to (I'm assuming that's the 2 of them) is obsessed with outdamaging BLM? Or are you just basing all of your opinions on the comments of morons on forums? People like WHMs who think Cure V is the only thing that makes them the best healer or BLMs who are constantly afraid of SCHs out-nuking them, ignoring the past 15 levels worth of job adjustments.

Please do not come in the forums and talk about SCH's needing to learn how to play their job when you know absolutely nothing about the job yourself. You really are asking to get attacked :/

[Sasaraixx]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd much rather have adjustments made to our current spells. The Animus and Aldoquium spells were good ideas, but terribly implemented. Stormsurge also needs a serious boost. We need two more Regen spells and some type of cure spell.

Something should happen with the storm spells. I'd like a new Klimaform spell that provides unique enhancements based on the weather you have (-pdt for dust, crit damage for thunder, etc). Double weather is another possibility but I have a feeling it won't happen. It would be a great boost for all mages though. I kind of liked the idea of SCH being the "mage buffer." Buffing mages up until this point has basically consisted of Refresh and MAB. It would be quite nice if SCH could have a few unique mage buffs like mag crit rate, -spell casting/recast, enfeeble potency, song potency, reduced MP cost, etc to go along with Klimaform, BUFFED animus spells and weather. Right now it is very difficult to justify having SCH in a non-manaburn party with other mages. Changes like this would help us work better with other mages.

The TP down spell SE mentioned could be good IF IT IS POTENT.

My only other suggestions have to do with Light and Dark Arts receiving extra bonuses based on your level so that they would not be subbable. Give us some more charges and allow them to remain active during Tabula Rasa and I will be a very happy Taru.

[SpankWustler]

I personally have ever only known 1 good scholar. He did share storms. The only other person I knew on scholar was one of the "Scholar is so much better than black mage types." We had a challenge on Mt. Z at lvl 75. He only ice storm himself, I still smoked him though. His first blizzard IV was for 800 lol. Most scholars are garbage. Every one I talk to, with the exception of my linkshell scholar, is obsessed with out damaging black mage. It is even someone's signature of a regular poster in these threads. Plus the trolls on another forum are already starting with the bliz 5 screenshots from the test server, saying, "Hai guys we just obsoleted black mage" etc.

I wish scholar got more original stuff. I wish they would want to learn how to play the job completely instead of being black mage jr. , but lets face it, that is what most of them want. Or to be black mage ++ in their minds.

Well, I think I just picked out the only valid bit (other than the math equations) in all of this. Storm spells can be cast on others and should be treated as such.

Taking player mentality into account when assessing...whatever you're trying trying to assess...doesn't really work. Far too many players are far too stupid for that to be a worthwhile train of thought.

[Ank]

I'd like a new Klimaform spell that provides unique enhancements based on the weather you have (-pdt for dust, crit damage for thunder, etc).

they could even just add those stat boosts to stormsurge, instead of just int/mnd/str/etc. Windstorm would be cool for a haste boost, or whatever. Storm/klimaform/merit changes are a pretty big opportunity for "unique sch crap that doesn't suck".

When animus spells were first announced, my hopes were that they'd be a straight decrease/increase to current enmity. Using a sch in that way could create an entirely new party mechanic. It was pretty disappointing to see it was basically the same as +/- gear enmity, and not even a significant amount.

If they do make this plague spell, I hope that it not only is potent but works effectively on nms. In a round about way it could be seen as damage mitigation and a buff to curing potential.

[Economizer]

Scholar is a job that definitely could have been handled better in what its role is from the start.

Since Scholar is a hybrid class, it is only right that it is markedly and totally weaker then any specialist. Relying on gear differences to provide this difference is a fundamentally flawed way to do things... for example, Scholar is getting enough gear to cap cure potency outside Abyssea, according to dat file analysis on the test server.

Still, I'm not here to decide if Scholar is weaker or stronger then other jobs or not. Other jobs are getting the majority of Scholar's storm spells, and will be getting Klimaform. I don't feel bad for any Scholars that are surprised about Klimaform. To make the changes (some of which I've already discussed) I'll propose next, I think that people subbing Scholar should also get the last three storm spells.

I definitely see Scholars as weather control experts however, and losing their exclusive hold on Klimaform and storm spells should not be free. In exchange for this, Scholar should get double weather spells (or the ability to double weather with strats) and Klimaform 2 (or merits for Klimaform). With double weather, the stormsurge bonus should be at least doubled, if not tripled.

In addition to those changes, Scholar should get Regen IV, and the Animus spells and Adloquium should be revamped. I've already suggested in the past that Adloquium could work on the same tics as a Helix, with a slight boost (perhaps if it was affected by skill/weather), for example.

Perhaps there should also be more powerful gear that is affected by the weather as well, such as a melee based gear set with a focus on weather for special effects, like 8% Haste for Wind weather, or +20 attack for Fire weather.

I don't think Scholar needs major overhauls to be what it should be, but instead small tweaks to fill the role of a knowing the arts of Geomancy much better.