SE, Temper Activation Rate

[FrankReynolds]

So when they mentioned casting a song or ninjitsu or magic, they were referencing a bardninjaredmage and not someone in the party? Wooo! RDM/BRD here I come.

[saevel]

So when they mentioned casting a song or ninjitsu or magic, they were referencing a bardninjaredmage and not someone in the party? Wooo! RDM/BRD here I come.

Umm what? I had doubts previously but now I'm positive your just trolling people.

Support specialists who excel at transforming their allies from mere mortals into demigods with their enhancements, while rendering once-formidable enemies impotent with enfeebling magic.

We want to see red mages play a more vital role in HNM battles by making enfeebling magic more effective against high-level notorious monsters and their legendary levels of resistance as well as allowing them to better contribute to party member enhancement.

Nothing in there about Bard or Ninja Magic, but hey this is a faulty translation so maybe they've got it hidden in there somehow.

Example Adjustments

Adding abilities that reduce to zero the casting time or recast time for the next spell/ninjutsu/song.
New enfeebling magic spells.

Ohh there it is ... but wait .... didn't they make an announcement for things their adding

Red Mage

Spontaneity (Lv. 95)
Reduces casting time for the next magic spell the target casts.

Ohh there it is, and wow it effects ALL magic, including Bard songs and Ninjitsu.

And for the spells their adding,

Gain-STR (RDM Lv. 93)
Enhances Strength.

Temper (RDM Lv. 95)
Grants the ability to occasionally attack twice.

Not a single other target-able spell there. Not only that, but SE went out of their way to ensure Temper wouldn't work with /SCH accession.

Soo Umm ... unless your idea of a "super party buffer" is a 10 min JA ... then yeah ... your either smoking something, and really need to share it, or your just trolling people, in which case get back under your bridge.

[Supersun]

So when they mentioned casting a song or ninjitsu or magic, they were referencing a bardninjaredmage and not someone in the party? Wooo! RDM/BRD here I come.

You've never subbed Brd for the extra 1 MP/tick at 75?

But yeah, if they hadn't included that little bit they would of had to in their very next post when people started asking if it only applies to White and Black magic like composure...

[FrankReynolds]

Nothing in there about Bard or Ninja Magic, but hey this is a faulty translation so maybe they've got it hidden in there somehow.

Ohh there it is ... but wait .... didn't they make an announcement for things their adding

Duh

Ohh there it is, and wow it effects ALL magic, including Bard songs and Ninjitsu.

Duh

Not a single other target-able spell there. Not only that, but SE went out of their way to ensure Temper wouldn't work with /SCH accession.

Soo Umm ... unless your idea of a "super party buffer" is a 10 min JA ... then yeah ... your either smoking something, and really need to share it, or your just trolling people, in which case get back under your bridge.

So you don't think that being able to give that BLM an instant cast on his biggest longest casting spell for an easy magic burst is a party buffing ability? But you do think %5 double attack makes red mage a front line job. And I'm a troll......

[Supersun]

Yes, because a JA on a 10 minute timer that lets a Blm do something that he could already do before, only marginally easier, is good party support.

[FrankReynolds]

Yes, if making red mage capable of doing something that it allready almost never does in a party marginally better is important, then setting up an insta cast magic burst meteor is huge.

[Supersun]

1) You assume people are actually going to coordinate a Skillchain to magic burst meteor

2) You assume that if people are actually setting up a Skillchain to magic burst meteor that a Blm is incapable of doing it by himself.

[SpankWustler]

3. You both assume Meteor will be worth casting.

You have to remember that it's always possible, when dealing with this sort of thing, that we ALL lose.

[Supersun]

3. You both assume Meteor will be worth casting.

You have to remember that it's always possible, when dealing with this sort of thing, that we ALL lose.

Who are we kidding, Meteor will likely just be the AoE version of comet that will just be absurdly expensive.

...if only we got Manawell since that JA actually has some party support potential.

[Scuro]

Any chance that it was actually translated correctly in all three, and someone just told you it wasn't? Because I'm pretty sure that Google is accidentally translating : "transforming their allies..... with their enhancements...." into "strengthening itself and self-aggrandizement".

Thank you! This is exactly right, until SE DEVS are like "Hey we totally f*cked up on the translation" this is nothing more then just some BS that a DD RDM or a DD RDM Sympathizer crafted to further enhance the denial of what the job TRULY is. And the fact that this has been out for a month and not been corrected, obviously points to the fact that this is a buffer/debuffer as they stated. The reason why Temper came into existence is because so many DD RDMs were on the verge of quitting the game when they found out how the job was SUPPOSED to be played, and they decided to appease the side holding back the RDM class, rather then actually boost the class at what it is good at.

I'm misinformed? What a riot. You can't even debunk the arguments I've presented. I suppose only the North American and UK Red Mages are supposed to be buffers, is that it? Do you even have Red Mage leveled? A Red Mage's buffs are for themselves, one would think you would have figured that out when Composure only worked for self-cast buffs. Our full AF3 + cape doesn't even give the full duration boost, it's barely 2/3rds the duration we give ourselves. As I've already said, Regen, Refresh, and Haste doesn't magically make us some kind of buffer.

SCH has a higher tier Regen, Storms, Regain, and Accession to make their self-buffs AoE.(inb4 snipes about Regain not being worthwhile)

SMN has various abilities through Blood Pact: Ward and Avatar's Favor that are party wide.

A White Mage has a lot of the same spells as a Red Mage in AoE form.

I'm merely repeating things you should already know. Please, enlighten me on how you can sit there and think Red Mage is a buffer job when everything else brings more to the table. Putting blind faith in an inaccurate manifesto is ignorance at best.

Idk how many times I must say it, but allow me to be completely be frank and blunt since your thick skull thinking such a mage class was meant to DD and not do what SE has clearly established its purpose in doing, I suppose I must be completely up front. NO F*CING DUH it is not a buffer right now! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT IS NOT A BUFFER CLASS AS OF NOW! AND THAT SCH IS A FAR SUPERIOR BUFFER! I'm going to put that all in bold because you are obviously falling into brief comas on what I'm saying. I clearly said that a SCH is a better buffer, and I said exactly WHY it is. Yet you keep FAILING to listen to what I'm saying so I'm going to bold and capitlize the KEY POINTS that you KEEP MISSING! (Even put in an exclamation in hopes that you realize you are reiterating the same shit I'm telling you in previous posts). AS it stands, YES the job is NOT A BUFFER, yet it is established in the JOB MANIFESTO that it is a MEANT to be a buffer/debuffer (while DD RDMs and sympathizers may deny this FACT, SE and its DEVs have NOT CORRECTED this apparently "miss-translation" in an official dev post as they have done with the spell name changes for SCH, the defining of bully, and various other further elaborations on new JA specifics. Yet apparently because they hate RDMs so much, they decided to leave this one up in the air.... lol I couldn't even keep a straight face saying that.) I honestly don't know how much more further I have to go to DEBUNK your PREVIOUS STATEMENT other then to RUDELY S-P-E-L-L_I-T_O-U-T for you....