[dev1024] Job Adjustments - BST

[Olor]

Okay so am I the only person who thinks it is really lame that the only ability we are slated to get might as well be called "WASTE GIL"?

Dear developers - ever since you completely sidelined charm by making it useless in abyssea, voidwatch and ever other endgame scenario (essentially) BST has actually become quite an expensive job.

The last thing we needed was a new job ability that makes our jug pets more disposable. It already costs me an arm and a leg to participate in any event as a BST. Making the only new power we have available dependent on wasting our jugs - is really lame.

BST doesn't have a lot going for it. If you make it EVEN more expensive it will become as popular as RNG and COR.

Why not give us some procs or something useful that would actually get us invited to parties instead of a lame ability that will make our job more expensive?

/angry

[AyinDygra]

This wasn't what I was expecting for Beastmaster, based on the manifesto.

It would be more interesting and useful if "Run Wild" would allow our pets to go into a powerful mini-"Rage mode" similar to HNMs for 5 minutes with a potential "tired" condition for a short period after where the pet receives a slow effect and reduced defense.

Very risky to use when solo, unless the enemy is near death. Useful for Damage Dealing in parties. Does not consume the jugpet. Carries the risk of loss of pet (rather than certain loss of pet).

[Ank]

Eh I dunno. I'm not a bst or anything, but another way to use jug pets sounds cool on paper atleast.

[SpankWustler]

Stacks of Dancing Herbal Broth, Lucky Carrot Broth, and Mellow Bird Broth are all dirt cheap unless your server is really weird. The rest of the options aren't at Dollar Menu level but generally aren't that costly. Every single one of these options produces a monster more oriented towards dealing damage than Dipper Yuly, which is the only jug pet I'd say is expensive.

I'm not sure why you're complaining about the price when this job ability could potentially reduce or eliminate Beast Master's largest short-coming; the lack of any job ability or trait to greatly increase the damage of the master or the pet.

[Aldersyde]

I'm not sure there's really enough information to go on at this time to really make a judgment about how worthwhile or worthless this ability will be. If it doesn't at least line up with Call Beast timer it will be a complete joke but if's it's for 15 mins to a half hour, I can see it being useful (though 30 mins is probably on the pipe dream end of the spectrum).

[Olor]

It will probably be five minutes.

And a lot of the time the only way I can get an invite to anything worth getting invited to as a bst is as ghetto TH with dipper yuly, which has stacks usually running on my server for 100K.

For some people that may be pocket change, but as someone who just rerolled a few months ago, I can't afford to be constantly bleeding gil in the course of my ordinary duties.

[Olor]

Also, the question has to be asked - why is it necessary to consume the jug pet? I mean seriously - if this was just damage boosting, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it isn't like crafters aren't already making a mint off of bsts.

[Olor]

Basically I just want to know why BST can't have a turn as one of the top five jobs. Why does it always have to remain crap tier?

[SpankWustler]

Before I go on, I'd like to say it's awesome that you are phrasing your complaints articulately and clearly. This is something few people do, so it's nice to see even though I disagree with your premise.

It will probably be five minutes.

And a lot of the time the only way I can get an invite to anything worth getting invited to as a bst is as ghetto TH with dipper yuly, which has stacks usually running on my server for 100K.

For some people that may be pocket change, but as someone who just rerolled a few months ago, I can't afford to be constantly bleeding gil in the course of my ordinary duties.

Yeah, that's roughly what Dipper Yuly costs on Phoenix as well. I think the mistake you're making is connecting this job ability directly to Dipper Yuly. He's mainly used for soloing things or providing Treasure Hunter, and this job ability isn't for either of those purposes.

Your assessment of how it will affect you and the play-style you are presently forced into isn't wrong, but I do think it's a very narrow view of things.

Also, the question has to be asked - why is it necessary to consume the jug pet? I mean seriously - if this was just damage boosting, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it isn't like crafters aren't already making a mint off of bsts.

Since the dawn of FFXI, almost every job ability that does damage has had a drawback.

Berserk and Last Resort lower defense, which isn't a penalty but some guy at SE probably thought it was a decade ago.

Innin requires you to be positioned behind the monster, lowers your evasion, and it's potency decreases with time.

Sneak Attack and Trick Attack don't have a penalty in the literal sense, but require certain timing and positioning.

So yeah, it's old hat for an ability that adds damage to have a penalty or condition attached.

[SpankWustler]

Basically I just want to know why BST can't have a turn as one of the top five jobs. Why does it always have to remain crap tier?

It has a pet. Apparently pet jobs are really hard for any team that works or has ever worked on FFXI to deal with. The new team is doing better than the old one, so I'll take it.