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  1. #71
    Player Meyi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonlionheart View Post
    OK imagine this: Why do people go to school? So they can learn right? But it's more than that, it's to learn in a designated environment, so that you can get ahead of the people who don't get an education.

    On the other hand, you can skip school entirely and just go out there and work to get experience in whatever field you want.

    They both work, but I think that going to school brings in a little bit more money in the end. Going to school starts you out in a higher position faster than not going to school.
    School is designed for many reasons. Not only to learn the material necessary for your job, but to learn the building blocks leading up to your job, to further enhance your education in every facet of life, and to stimulate critical thinking skills. They also show that you can do a task that is required of you; come to class, study, and pass tests.

    You could just go to a job, but not all jobs are the best to do this with. If you don't know how to operate the equipment or what your job entails (such as researching), then you'll be slowing the company down with your constant questioning.

    Sometimes it really is best to learn about something before jumping into it. Although reading how to do something and actually doing it physically are completely two different things, sometimes having the knowledge lodged somewhere in the brain can help the problem be solved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leonlionheart View Post
    In the same way you can leech and burn your job to 90, and as long as you've done your research and learned your job it doesn't matter that you start really playing the job at 90. This is actually prefered anyway, because the introduction of some abilities are huge game changers for that job, and you can get better practice using them in conjunction with high level abilities in the first place.(See: Sneak Attack, Trick Attack, Assassinate, Meditate, Counterstance, Afflatus Solace/Miser, Retaliation, Restoring Breath, the list goes on.)

    If you don't do research and know what gear you should be using, when you should be using your JA, WS, ETC, then you're probably going to be a bad player no matter what. It's not like you can eyeball what is better: Bullwhip or Goading?You'd probably never know without a parse/reading it online/being told.
    This is very true. FFXI isn't real life, and it doesn't require an education in to enjoy. It's a video game. Lots of people before us have been kind enough to parse the information and record to the mass; we should be wise to read up their findings and follow their advice.

    I've always said that bad players will be bad players because it's a mind set, not a lack of skill. If someone doesn't care to study the job they're playing at least a little bit (whether it be through trial and error of their own testing or reading online), then that's lazy.

    But to be fair I'm not always a good player myself. I really don't care to learn much about White Mage. I'm not a fanatic on gearing it up to be the best. I leveled it for emergency healing for group activities only. If someone points out a piece of gear I should fetch I'll usually shrug my shoulders, unless it's a big change in what I have now. If it's advice on Job Abilities/Spells though, I'm all ears.

    When it comes to Black Mage and Summoner, on the other hand, I love these jobs enough to do as much research as I can. Also to obtain as much gear as I can.

    When it comes to someone leeching, initially of course I feel kind of put off by it. I had leveled 7 jobs to 75 on my Elvaan the old fashioned way, and soloing. It was slow and sometimes it infuriates me to see other people take two days to get that job to 90 with gear better than I had ever had. Maybe jealousy? Ah, either way, I remind myself that in the end it really doesn't matter; they're level 90 now, and that's all that really matters. That job can come out and help us at events now. As long as they know how to use it, I'm happy.
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  2. #72
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    I can't recall ever having difficulty leveling up aside from NA PC release. To say leveling was difficult after ToAU and WotG were released is asinine.

    Aside from there being exp bonuses in nearly everything you did, you could constantly level sync yourself to certain prime areas for xp until you got to your first set of Colibri. From there, pulling 20k/h (Lv55+) wasn't even difficult.

    That's not even taking into account SMN burns, Chigoe burns, Pet burns and Pet soloing.

    Crap XP would be leveling on acrophies in Qufim or Weapons in Battalia because you can't get to Kazham, or leveling on (yet again) weapons in Ro'Maeve, Spiders on the way to Faffy, or Tigers/Cocks in Kuftal. The 16m repops didn't even matter because you would almost never kill anything fast enough to run out of the 5 mobs actually near your camp.

    Edit: and lol at setting up all parties for 20 jobs across over9000 levels. I show up to parties (if I do them) under 30 naked and with a weapon appropriate to the level. That's all that is needed to be successful. I've been kicked from parties for doing that and have been called gimp etc. These are the same people who I've seen wearing NQ AF3 on their 90's who I promptly post up to themosthatedwebsiteinallofofficialforumdum.

    I've rarely enjoyed xp'ing, and I still don't enjoy it. What makes me dislike it the most is the 5 to 17 other people in the party.
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    Last edited by Rearden; 07-26-2011 at 01:46 PM.

  3. #73
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    You know, as a person who has both soloed a job to 90 and leveled in a party to 90, I have to say that the exp grind sucks, regardless of how you are doing it.

    I soloed Summoner from 1 to 90 mostly, I did get into parties while leveling, but those were very rare and far between. Can I say that what I learned from soloing Summoner has helped my job out a lot? Yes, it taught me the appropriate distance to summon/resummon avatars in kiting, what type of pathing monsters usually take, how fast certain mobs are (believe it or not, but lizards are slower than treants, just saying), damage types and what is best to kill stuff with. It has helped me out a lot when it comes to soloing harder NMs today. And I didn't have to afk solo at all. Do I say that everyone should do what I did? Meh, up to you, I personally don't care.

    I have also leveled (recently) my WHM in a party-type situation(s). Mostly from abyssea. Some parties I wasn't even needed, so I guess you can say I burned it, although I wasn't a keywhore (cruor for me is better spent on other things, like brews and such). I went from 30 to 90 in a matter of days, while it took me 9 months to level SMN from 1 to 90. By some of you guys logic, that must mean that my WHM must really suck and I am horrible at it.

    My 50% cure potency, level 85~89 magic skills, and my knowledge of macros and stuff says otherwise (love <stal>).

    I am most likely better geared, know more, and have more experience as WHM than most other 90 WHMs. And I only use my WHM about twice a month!

    The point being, if you suck, you suck period. Exp parties teach you almost nothing about being dependable and how to cope harder stuff (like trash NMs in Abyssea, I have seen alliances wipe to Glavoid while myself and 2 friends can kill it easy) and be a key player in this game. I know my job as a SMN. I know my job as a WAR. I know my job as a WHM. And I expect you to know it too, otherwise I will beat the information into your shallow brain until you can recite me the list of WHM spells in Alphabetical Order AND by order of cost of MP, inverted!
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  4. #74
    Player Meyi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korpg View Post
    love <stal>.
    Dear Altana, this. I love <stal> as well. I am of the oldschool Zilart White Mage people who only had <t> at the time of reaching 75, so when people blinked gear, I'd grow pretty angry. Most of the time I would just type out /ma "Cure III" name/<p#> to ensure targetting them. Then when <stpt> came out, I wasn't impressed. I was in Salvage at the time and wasn't aware of the <stal>, and since we'd normally go in a party of 7 or 8, it was infuriating not being able to cure outside party members.

    But <stal> is beautiful. Every White Mage should use it.
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    I personally haven't leeched any jobs on either of my two characters (Terasan and my old one that got hacked a while back). I have GoV burned a few subs now on Tera, but other stuff like my BLU now I've just duo'd with my sister. I don't have any issues with people who've leeched/Astralburned/keywhored, just as long as they give a crap about their job and are willing to learn how to better their performance. Also, just for lulz (nice tag, btw) here's my quiz :P

    1) Have you ever defeated Genbu? Yep, hundreds of times.
    2) Have you ever defeated Proto-Omega? Yep.
    3) Do you know where the entrance of Einherjar is? Mhmm, Hazhalm.
    4) Have you ever defeated Pantokrator without a brew? Never fought Pantokrator, was hacked at the release of Heroes.
    5) How many jobs do you have at a previous level cap? 75? 90? Had... 7? at 85 before, have WHM at 90 now.
    6) Have you ever used a "First Voke" SATA method on any monster above level 80 (Greater Colibri are 83 IIRC) Just for lulz on Genbu.
    7) Have you ever not done anything but Penta Thrust spam on any monster above level 85? (bad wording, figure it out) Uh... Assuming this means "Have I TP burned everything higher than level 85" Which the answer would be no, did Sky with some horribad LSs way back when.
    8th and Final) Did anything you learned in your 3~8 months of getting from level 10 to 75 help you fight against Kirin? Where my WS button is, yeah.
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  6. #76
    Player Runespider's Avatar
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    Leeching is part of the game now and the leveling system is really easy anyway, even a brand new character can be taken to 90 in under a week (with some knowledge). Level cap quests take longer than the actual leveling process to 90, anyway being a sync is like being a key person in Aby... you are offering something so it's not really leeching.
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  7. #77
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    Every time a WHM refuses to use <stal>

    I SEE A WHITE LIGHT OF NERD RAGE
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    Every time a WHM refuses to use <stal>

    I SEE A WHITE LIGHT OF NERD RAGE
    I hate <stal>, seems really slow. I use a g15 keyboard that lets me press a button to target each person in the alliance though so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runespider View Post
    I hate <stal>, seems really slow.
    RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    I use a g15 keyboard that lets me press a button to target each person in the alliance though so...
    Everything turned out ok
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    WoW. Honestly why do the "leechers" play this game anymore if they are THAT BORED they must "leech" to get anywhere. It is an mmorog guys. No need to rush. If you hate leveling mmorpg are not for you simple. Video games are meant to be played not cheated the whole way through. Also every leecher I personally met sucked at their class/job. And no amount of research can make you better. Only actively playing. It is sickening as a gamer to read this BS.

    Leeching is NOT the way to level. If you do not like the job DO NOT LEVEL IT. Simple. Everyone who is a noobie to a class/game will be bad at it till they learn And so far. Everyone who leeched is bad. All they do is button mash fights and go lol when they steal hate. That isn't being good. That is playing dumb. Being great at your job is knowing when to do you skills/abilities in sync with your group, and in synce with a particular boss. Such as knowing when your turn is in a stun line on diablos. Reading does jack. Physically playing is what makes you good.
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