Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Motenten]

Is this only true for delay under 180? I recall seeing a graph showing delay to TP a couple of years ago and it showed that weapons under 180 produce more TP, but don't recall if it was linear above that? Also, is there a floor at 120, or can TP gained go below 4.5?

As Arcon mentioned, the scale changes at various delays, but the most interesting portion is 180 and below. There's a graph on wiki for it, I think.

There is no known lower bound. I just ran it down to 120 delay since that seemed like a good place to stop.

The lowest practical delay that I can come up with would be:

Nin (DW5): 35%
Suppa: 5%
Iga+2 head: 5%
AF body: 5%
Relic+2 legs: 7%
Nusku Sash: 5%
Iga Earring: 1%

Total: 63% DW

Edit: Actually, could add Blitzer's Roll to that for another ~15%, 78% total (just shy of the delay cap).

Weapons: 150 delay daggers (eg: Hornetneedle, Oneiros Knife, etc)

Effective delay: 55
TP/Hit: 3.9
TP/second: 4.216

Effective delay: 33
TP/Hit: 3.7
TP/second: 6.727

[Byrth]

Does Blitzer stack additively with Dual Wield? I was under the impression that they were separate categories.

[Ophannus]

Would be sweet if our merit 2hr ability gave us Triple Attack+100% for 30 seconds-1min.

[Fupafighter]

Would be sweet if our merit 2hr ability gave us Triple Attack+100% for 30 seconds-1min.

I wouldn't mind stackin my rudra with that lol.

[Karbuncle]

There was a thread a while back about making up 2hours, thats actually exactly what i suggested.

[Motenten]

Does Blitzer stack additively with Dual Wield? I was under the impression that they were separate categories.

Not sure, actually, just a possible additional delay reduction I tossed in. I don't see any testing saying it explicitly does or does not add to DW.

[Aana]

Lulz if we had 100% triple for 2hour, might actually have a use for all that situational TA damage gear that generally sucks.

[Babekeke]

Not, sure, actually, just a possible additional delay reduction I tossed in. I don't see any testing saying it explicitly does or does not add to DW.

Since Blitzers is just delay reduction, it should stack additively, yes.

One thing I'm not sure of though, is if for some reason that NIN with -78% delay then got haste/marces/samba or whatever to put them over the delay cap, do they still only get the reduced amount of TP, or does haste get removed first, then enough delay reduction to hit cap and stop it there? I assume all the delay comes off, but not sure.

[Byrth]

Since Blitzers is just delay reduction, it should stack additively, yes.

That's not actually clear.

One thing I'm not sure of though, is if for some reason that NIN with -78% delay then got haste/marces/samba or whatever to put them over the delay cap, do they still only get the reduced amount of TP, or does haste get removed first, then enough delay reduction to hit cap and stop it there? I assume all the delay comes off, but not sure.

You work with whatever your post-DW TP/hit is when you calculate your TP. Haste/etc don't affect TP, and the overall delay cap is a whole other comparison entirely.

[Babekeke]

That's not actually clear.

Would seem kind of stupid to have it in it's own category. To keep the numbers simple, if you have 50% haste and 50% DW, you're sitting at 75% delay reduction. If blitzers is a 3rd multiplicative to factor in, you need 20% to hit cap. If it's additive to DW you only need 10% to hit cap, just making it even more useless if it's multiplicative (but then, this is SE).

You work with whatever your post-DW TP/hit is when you calculate your TP. Haste/etc don't affect TP, and the overall delay cap is a whole other comparison entirely.

OK maybe I worded it badly, but I am aware haste doesn't reduce TP, just wasn't sure if they stopped reducing your TP from DW when delay got capped.