Why more haste?

[Stormy]

You're twisting your own argument. Your previous post argued that if you can cap haste with Twilight, Twilight is better. You can't cap haste with Twilight without altering other slots, because 7 is not equal to 12, and the Tantra set does not overkill enough to compensate for that.

However, if you want to make it a straight one-to-one, belt-to-belt comparison, the argument becomes 5haste 5str vs 2DA. BB wins again, no question.

Again, the distinction between 'tanking' and 'DDing' does not exist.

[Cream_Soda]

Full af3+2 has 16% haste.

+ Twilight = 23% haste.

You have to swap af3+2 shoes to haste shoes.

Full af3+2 + black belt = 28% haste rounds down to 25 due to cap.

2% DA doesn't beat the kick dmg from af3+3 shoes along as 5/5 set bonus.

If you don't have black belt, even brown belt and af3+2 shoes will beat any combo you can come up w/ twilight.

Twilight is trash.

[Mojo]

Twilight is great... for other jobs only. It does not even come class for best DD set for MNK.

[Martinius]

Full af3+2 has 16% haste.

+ Twilight = 23% haste.

You have to swap af3+2 shoes to haste shoes.

Full af3+2 + black belt = 28% haste rounds down to 25 due to cap.

2% DA doesn't beat the kick dmg from af3+3 shoes along as 5/5 set bonus.

If you don't have black belt, even brown belt and af3+2 shoes will beat any combo you can come up w/ twilight.

Twilight is trash.

just to tack on, to really cap haste, you're gonna need to use fumas, not usukane, so you're not getting the acc and att. 2% DA and 3 agi instead of capped haste, and the set bonus + the beefy kick attack bonus is a no brainer.

[Stormy]

thanks for confirming things we knew about six+ months ago. your input is indispensible.

[Crabian]

How is Twilight vs BB even a discussion? Lol, I didn't realize it ever was...

[Drhatchet]

Twilight Belt is superior from a purely DD standpoint IF you wear 4/5 af3+2 and replace the feet with any haste 2% feet only. Maintains haste cap and gives you more double attack (since tping in STR is really only effective if the mob has super high VIT). If tanking I'd just use the BB anyway because of the extra pdt.

Ues you need 26% in gear to hit 25% but you won't miss that small bit of haste unless your doing something with crazy amounts of magical haste stacked on (zerg).

That said, BB is still a sick belt, and if you have it you may as well use it.

[Cream_Soda]

Twilight Belt is superior from a purely DD standpoint IF you wear 4/5 af3+2 and replace the feet with any haste 2% feet only. Maintains haste cap and gives you more double attack (since tping in STR is really only effective if the mob has super high VIT). If tanking I'd just use the BB anyway because of the extra pdt.

No

Not at all

Enhanced DMG on kicks and 5/5 set bonus is going to beat 2% DA rather easily. Twilight is bad and anyone who uses it on monk should feel bad. This is excluding the PDT.

[Segasaturn]

While the Haste cap is 25% on gear, I'm under the impression that you would need 26% in gear to top off and be at a full 25%.....

[Cream_Soda]

While the Haste cap is 25% on gear, I'm under the impression that you would need 26% in gear to top off and be at a full 25%.....

That's true, but 25% is so cose to the cap, the last % of haste isn't 1% haste, it's like .3% haste, which is pretty minuscule.