4 hit ws build

[Nala]

So a 90 sam with a 437 weapon would need how much?

for a 4 hit build? would slightly depend on your ws gear but, if you ws'd in your tp gear with a 437 dealy weapon you'd need 126-40 STP = 86 from gear not including potential hassanshin procs/ikishoten merits

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Well I'm at like 76 or something. lol
WS gear is something like +110str.

[Ryozen]

There is absolutely no point to a four-hit build, unless by four-hit you really mean five-hit (WS + 4 hits).

The only way this would change would be if they added gear with obscene Store TP values and good DD values as well, which seems pretty unlikely.

[Taint2]

Body is +10%, Back is +5%, Earring is +~2-3%, Mufflers are +3%. Parsing is posted in the Zanshin thread in the same sub-forum. Hassanshin rate is approximately 25% of total Zanshin rate.

I'm not sure trading Juogi out for AF3+2 is the right answer. While it nets you some Hassanshin, ATT, and Store TP for overflow, 5% crit rate and 2-3% double attack is a lot to give up.

Per 5/5 Ikishoten: I find Blade Bash to have enough utility that I'd rather keep that than add a fifth Ikishoten merit. I do lament having it on a 15-minute timer now.

15%/4 ~4% Zanshin would be close at 3% and should beat at 4%. A proc is 2 hits of white damage and 3+ hits worth of TP.

Unkai vs Atheling should lean in Atheling's favor unless Unkai is adding 2% zanshin rate.

[Nala]

speaking of hassanshin, some one was saying on another thread that it doesnt proc on ws's, any one know that for fact? (if so i can knock off one of my ikishoten merits)

[Ryozen]

I spent half an hour WSing mobs with Hasso up and without any source of double/triple attacks, and never managed to see a proc. I may have just gotten unlucky, but it's probable that it doesn't activate on WS.

Feel free to go out and give it a try!

[Taint2]

I spent half an hour WSing mobs with Hasso up and without any source of double/triple attacks, and never managed to see a proc. I may have just gotten unlucky, but it's probable that it doesn't activate on WS.

Feel free to go out and give it a try!

Never seen it proc, 100% confident it can't. Been playing SAM during events for a week+ straight.

[Ryozen]

What were you looking for when you playing SAM during events? How would you tell the difference between a Double Attack from /WAR or Brutal and a Hassanzhin proc?

[Nala]

more then likely TP return, if hassanshin worked with ws's you'd have a larger TP return with ikishoten merits, if you were looking specifically for hassanshin procs you'd probably use an other then war sub/remove double attack gear.

Also we should probably continue this line of thought on another thread... the whole 4 hit thing is ridiculous further more what we're talking about is mostly off topic of this thread. (although ikishoten merits +hassanshin would make an occasional 4 hit build.

[Ryozen]

I haven't seen anything to show that Zanshin/Ikishoten'd hits on a WS would provide any additional TP return.

My point was really that there'd be no way to know for sure if what you had was a normal double attack or a hassanshin proc. The only way to know for sure would be to do it in a controlled environment without any other source of additional attacks.

Unless one goes to all of one's events as /NIN or /DNC or somesuch, and leaves one's double attack gear in the Mog House. I doubt this was the case.