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And that's just as legal as the current situation -- and would openly be a proposed course of action by any alliance seeking a loophole to steal NMs.

So is the original thing we're arguing --...

No it's not -- not without some exclusivity that no one else can ever get the mob.

Let me give you another example of kill stealing to explain how this operates:

I -aga a series of mobs for...

Stop lying. Really... stop -- lying.

A large feature of Japanese culture is the fact that they openly scorn outsiders/"gaijin". That's why it usually takes double the effort to get half the...

Popular? Depends on your take.

Worth playing again? A flat no.

Minus some major reforms in the arrogances which the playerbase has been able to inflict on what it believes its lessers, this...

Then it doesn't even give you that. If I can steal a monster, given any loophole in the game which allows me to do so, then it's not even their initial claim. All they did was put an aggressive...

Then it should pop yellow, because "Your Pop Item" is not yours. The NM can be, then, legally taken by any party, abrogating the ownership of the content the pop item represents.

And I will be banned the moment I express the level of my contempt for how wrong you are at that statement.

The GMs fraudulently turn their backs on massive cheating, and this is another example...

Too late. By disallowing the bot-bards and the cheating at the Fortifications, they did more to drive people away from Wings of the Goddess content than anything which could be done.

Then it needs to be reexamined, because, then, you can't go back and then start claiming people steal kills in any respect at all -- even previous acts deemed kill-stealing would not be, with this...

In the immortal words of Yuna, "You're a bad liar."

It is absolutely a loophole for that to happen. Square-Enix has the technology to allow a mob which has been aggroed and "wins" to de-pop. ...

I don't believe in that kind of "fun" -- as my interpretation of that kind of "fun" would almost certainly be considered threatening to even describe, much less to actually do.

Most players' "fun"...

The Terms of Service constitute a contract between the players and Square-Enix, in which Square-Enix institutes rules over which the players can play, but also that the players can know that those...

Effectively. The only reason I haven't globally disabled shouts is for events where shouting basically is the only means of effective communication to everyone in the area.

It was done for both, because it wasn't just the bot-bards.

It was also done for the Fortification nerf too. People used to be able to skill-up on _that_ -- because the Fortification was...

They DO owe us the pop -- unless they wish to admit that the following actions, specifically stated as illegal, are actually legal:

-- Kill-stealing
-- Griefing
-- Denial of the enjoyment of the...

The point is that most of us don't even talk to GMs anymore. We don't get the chance.

Then kill-stealing and griefing are now legal in FFXI. So is "denying the enjoyment of the game" to those the stealers believe "suck" too much.

These mercenary groups, which basically troll every...

A bit less elegant way of putting it, but, there you go....

That would be valid if the parties involved deserved such respect.

There's two factors involved, and at least one of them is conduct which is probably greatly excused by the poster I slammed in...

I don't think so. Now do you just live in Japan or are you Japanese?

Well, what's going to happen to those people, though? Chances are, they have brought shame upon their houses.

That might not mean anything to you, but it's about the only thing keeping some order...

I don't think I have to explain it -- and you wouldn't understand anyway.

I don't see it that way.

I think the Japanese are (and with cause!) greatly _insulted_ that they have to share the game with the "gaijin", whom I can be pretty clear that they do not respect -- at...

The prices are not coming back down. Heck, I saw prices go up when MORE currency was put into the system (Campaign unions) -- they never came back down from that.

I guess this thread kind of supports those who have told me that those who kiss up to Square-Enix get a little "help" along the way.

A little brown lipstick there?